Is Progressive Punk really an oxymoron?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-13-2016, 02:33 PM

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William_the_Bloody · 08-13-2016, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

You're a mess of contradictions here

First it was "nobody cares about The Cure anymore"

Now it's they're not underground enough

Then you talk about Crustpunk, a subgenre of punk, as being a significant underground movement which validates my point that punk doesn't die but it takes many forms

Flies right in the face of your idea that punk was just Sex Pistols doesn't it?

Elphenor you are now mischaracterizing my own words. You lost the argument along time ago. Stop embarrassing yourself.

William_the_Bloody · 08-13-2016, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I think you actually lost the argument to yourself bud

Good I'm glad you stopped. People can read it and decide for themselves.

The Batlord · 08-13-2016, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Punk started in the U.S. that's the first clue that you just don't know dick about this

Sex Pistols imported it for the UK audience

If it wasn't for the Sex Pistols punk would have died cause nobody cared about CBGB's. It was a tiny scene with no real circuit of clubs that would have them and therefore no way to get any exposure until punk and new wave hit in Britain.

And Malcolm McLaren only imported the clothes. Both scenes were pretty much ignorant of how the other sounded when they were first developing.

Blank. · 08-13-2016, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

The thing is pop requires huge production budgets usually with massive teams, analytics on what will sell, charts and ghostwriters

Think of it more like a Hollywood movie

This was true for even the classic rock bands of the 70's

So you just missed the point completely.

Blank. · 08-13-2016, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

If you make pop because you like it and not to make money you end up with stuff like Ramones

No. You end up with a sound you like.

The Batlord · 08-13-2016, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

The first point doesn't contradict my point that it started in the U.S.

It doesn't matter if it started in the US, cause Britain is what made it a thing anyone cared about.

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Whether or not Johnny Rotten heard anything from CBGB is really hard to know, but I find it basically unbelievable that he wasn't into American Proto Punk

Have you actually listened to UK punk? It was by and large revved up pub rock until post-punk evolved, and New York was basically arty pop.

Blank. · 08-13-2016, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

The music you hear on the radio Top 40 pop

It cannot be made by a few people with no money

This tells me you have no idea what your talking about and are jumping to conclusions. Anyone who has any idea how to write a song know that most top 40 hits are extremely simplistic and easy to imitate. Most artists find it insulting the amount of money going into such a simple song.

Blank. · 08-13-2016, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

If you take the song by itself it doesn't chart though you understand.

often a record label simply will not invest in it until the artist allows for changes

Of course. But you're diverting away from my point that artists in all fields do whatever they want. It's not just punk and indie.

Blank. · 08-13-2016, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

There's quite a lot of involvement from the producers in pop music

Ok. You're missing the point. And this is pointless.