Is Progressive Punk really an oxymoron?

Blank. · 08-13-2016, 11:18 AM

In my opinion, the last time we saw a counter culture movement develop out of music was the grunge movement.

The Batlord · 08-13-2016, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

In my opinion, the last time we saw a counter culture movement develop out of music was the grunge movement.

And the less said about that...

William_the_Bloody · 08-13-2016, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Punk started in the U.S. that's the first clue that you just don't know dick about this

Sex Pistols imported it for the UK audience

Really wow!...that's amazing!!! I guess I must be woefully ignorant about the genre.

http://www.musicbanter.com/punk/6613...countdown.html

William_the_Bloody · 08-13-2016, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

What if I told you hardcore is only one subgenre of punk

Also crust punk blows

It's punk but it still blows

I'm done arguing with you elpehnor, if you were to travel to London today you would be hard pressed to find any kids wearing The Cure or Smiths t shirts, or bands that sound like them.

Indie rock died in the 2000's and with dubstep collapsing Grime is probably the closest thing there is to an authentic underground music scene. The Cure is the underground culture of yesterday,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knTnDAV33jE

here is what it looks like today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQOG5BkY2Bc

Blank. · 08-13-2016, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Uh I still see people with Cure shirts on today here in the U.S.

They can sell out arenas in any country in the world

But you're missing the point that punk/indie does not give a **** what's popular

That's your point? That was your point???

That's not something that only punk and indie bands have in common. That is common place. Every genre has their group of musicians that are like that. Hell, i wouldn't be shocked to find out that pop has its fair share of musicians who even have that idealolgy. They make pop because they like it. Not cause it's popular. Lol

Blank. · 08-13-2016, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

It's not "my point" I'm just responding specifically to the false statements in this guys posts as they come

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Originally Posted by elphenor

But you're missing the point that punk/indie does not give a **** what's popular

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William_the_Bloody · 08-13-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Uh I still see people with Cure shirts on today here in the U.S.

They can sell out arenas in any country in the world

But you're missing the point that punk/indie does not give a **** what's popular

Grime isn't popular with the mainstream, but its the new punk of London. I'm not really concerned that a youth in Wisconsin is wearing the t shirt of a 35 year old band, nostalgia is in.

The mega cities like London & New York that have traditionally set new indie music trends have completely changed. As I stated before, if punk exploded today in 2016 in London or New York, no one would care, its the music of the past.

Man, I'm digging me some Skepta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOhxPhqzMwg

JGuy Grungeman · 08-13-2016, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

To me putting "progressive" in front of a genre just means you're taking said genre forward into new, (often more "sophisticated", for lack of better word) directions. it's often more artsy (edit: and I forgot to say complex) but I don't think more technicality is a requirement.

This is exactly why I consider Pink Floyd prog, that and they followed/created/pioneered many of the same tradiotions various prog bands follwed back then and in the future. I guess they were as prog as the others because prog was still being formed then. But if Pink Floyd ain't sophisticated and artsy...

William_the_Bloody · 08-13-2016, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Yeah the big punk acts wouldn't explode BECAUSE THEYRE ALREADY SELLING OUT ARENAS

If you're arguing if The Clash and such never existed they wouldn't be popular today that's such a crazy unknowable hypothetical because music would be entirely different

Exactly, punk is irrelevant today as a counterculture for young people. It's an old foggie genre that has come and gone.

There will always be punk bands and small scenes but it's hey day as a significant force in the music underground is done.

Culture changes, demographics change, and technology changes, time to move on & stop living in the past.

JGuy Grungeman · 08-13-2016, 03:28 PM

So, punk has achieved what alternative failed to do. Become an alternative to mainstream music. But I suppose that goes without saying.

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