Is Progressive Punk really an oxymoron?

OccultHawk · 08-05-2016, 11:09 PM

Not by my definition of prog.

Great bands though.

Blank. · 08-05-2016, 11:14 PM

Out of curiosity Hawk, what's your definition of prog.

JGuy Grungeman · 08-06-2016, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperCoolGuy

pretty sure most post-hardcore (nomeansno, slint, husker du etc.) would count as "prog-punk"

OccultHawk · 08-06-2016, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

Out of curiosity Hawk, what's your definition of prog.

Structurally complex rock music often with baroque and classical influences and thematic cycles of song writing that relies on very skilled techniques from the musicians.

Dylstew · 08-06-2016, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Structurally complex rock music often with baroque and classical influences and thematic cycles of song writing that relies on very skilled techniques from the musicians.

To me putting "progressive" in front of a genre just means you're taking said genre forward into new, (often more "sophisticated", for lack of better word) directions. it's often more artsy (edit: and I forgot to say complex) but I don't think more technicality is a requirement.

I'd say post-hardcore is more expirimental than it is progressive, it either emerged from or was inspired by the hardcore scene, and used hardcore as a groundwork but did whatever the **** they want with it as opposed to staying with it's many limitations. It doesn't really seem to care for bringing punk forward, but they're just using it as a template and express themselves more freely than they could if they'd stay within it's boundaries. Many post-hardcore bands are doing their own thing, while progressive rock bands are really trying to bring rock forward. I would say it shares that characteristic of often being more "sophisticated", though, and has a similar role as a subgenre.

Dylstew · 08-07-2016, 03:14 PM

I'd like to know too, I mean all the "post" in the title indicates is that it happens after the genre. However even that's misleading as some call certain pretty early hardcore bands post-hardcore in retrospect. And there were plenty early punk bands now dubbed post punk.

~~SuperCoolGuy~~ · 08-07-2016, 05:05 PM

That's an interesting question. Being the total noob I am on both genres I would say something like prog rock is very bombastic and "colorful" musically while post-rock is much more dry and subdued, but that doesn't seem right

bob. · 08-09-2016, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

It's called all of New Yard hardcore, and it's not all it's cracked up to be.

Fuck you.

FRED HALE SR. · 08-10-2016, 11:19 AM

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right....and you obviously have never been a part of an underground music scene....you have no idea what it feels like when this shit becomes a real part of you...the only part of your fucking miserable life that fucking matters....and it's the only thing that keeps you alive....

so keep making your ignorant videos and living in your little pretend internet forum world where you can try to make yourself look like some kind of fucking expert while coming off like a complete idiot....and i'll continue to contribute and be a part of what music is and does to peoples lives

Get em Bob. How can anyone be punk rock having never been in a pit?

The Batlord · 08-10-2016, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bob.

Fuck you.

I've done it. I've done it! I've trolled bob.!

08-05-2016, 11:09 PM	#41 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Not by my definition of prog. Great bands though.

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Blank. Jacob Sartorius Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dank memes Posts: 4,033	Out of curiosity Hawk, what's your definition of prog.

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Dylstew Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,366	I'd like to know too, I mean all the "post" in the title indicates is that it happens after the genre. However even that's misleading as some call certain pretty early hardcore bands post-hardcore in retrospect. And there were plenty early punk bands now dubbed post punk.

08-07-2016, 05:05 PM	#47 (permalink)
~~SuperCoolGuy~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 36	That's an interesting question. Being the total noob I am on both genres I would say something like prog rock is very bombastic and "colorful" musically while post-rock is much more dry and subdued, but that doesn't seem right