Not by my definition of prog.

Great bands though.

Out of curiosity Hawk, what's your definition of prog.

Structurally complex rock music often with baroque and classical influences and thematic cycles of song writing that relies on very skilled techniques from the musicians.

To me putting "progressive" in front of a genre just means you're taking said genre forward into new, (often more "sophisticated", for lack of better word) directions. it's often more artsy (edit: and I forgot to say complex) but I don't think more technicality is a requirement.

I'd say post-hardcore is more expirimental than it is progressive, it either emerged from or was inspired by the hardcore scene, and used hardcore as a groundwork but did whatever the **** they want with it as opposed to staying with it's many limitations. It doesn't really seem to care for bringing punk forward, but they're just using it as a template and express themselves more freely than they could if they'd stay within it's boundaries. Many post-hardcore bands are doing their own thing, while progressive rock bands are really trying to bring rock forward. I would say it shares that characteristic of often being more "sophisticated", though, and has a similar role as a subgenre.

I'd like to know too, I mean all the "post" in the title indicates is that it happens after the genre. However even that's misleading as some call certain pretty early hardcore bands post-hardcore in retrospect. And there were plenty early punk bands now dubbed post punk.

That's an interesting question. Being the total noob I am on both genres I would say something like prog rock is very bombastic and "colorful" musically while post-rock is much more dry and subdued, but that doesn't seem right

Fuck you.

Get em Bob. How can anyone be punk rock having never been in a pit? :bonkhead:

I've done it. I've done it! I've trolled bob.!