Bob you can do your thing but you don't have to go bonkers just because someone else is doing theirs.

I thought that elitism was one of the cornerstones of punk?

I don't know about that. When I go to shows, there's always a guy handing out paper to promote a show. And I've gone to a few shows just because of that. I think sometimes the old fashioned way works just as well.

But nobody says that because they actually think the rapper IS punk in any real way, it's just a casual way to say they have some sort of rebellious attitude. And it's usually a pretty shallow and vapid comparison anyway, since the vast majority of people think punk is all power chords and shouting about the government.

Which is why your point is irrelevant.

Yes, but defining a genre is largely dependent upon what the majority thinks.

You guys put your faith in the majority over those actually involved in the scene? The public is an idiot, I wouldn't trust them with anything.

I don't think I've heard the Ramones on the radio. Commercials and baseball games, yeah.

I've heard them quite a few times on the radio and I don't even listen to the radio.

There's a million punk rock bands that sound the same, to say it has no sound baffles me.

"You know, I've seen the same bands so many dozens of times,
but with dozens of different names
across dozens of different state lines.
And I won't always admit it, but I think
that the world's better off with the world better in it.
And so if we're picking sides,
I guess that I am for every ****ty three-chord high school punk band.
Oh yes I am, oh yes I am." - Pat the Bunny