Is Progressive Punk really an oxymoron?

Dylstew · 07-30-2016, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

This goes back to my point of punk being a nontechnical DIY creative attitude rather than a specific sound

This goes back to that's rediculous wtf man :o

bob. · 07-30-2016, 04:42 PM

No its not. There will now always be a huge difference between the people who are involved in the punk scene....the people who go to shows just to support traveling bands...the people who help book shows and promote on the streets....the people who write zines and help their local scene. And the people who find the music online and think that the music is what it's all about...the music is obviously a huge part of it but there is so much more to it.

OccultHawk · 07-30-2016, 06:06 PM

Street promotion and printed zines aren't necessary anymore. I used to be all into that but it's hard for me to understand carrying on with that now since the way we communicate has changed so much.

bob. · 07-30-2016, 07:51 PM

That makes me sad

OccultHawk · 07-30-2016, 09:15 PM

Things change. Things end. I still love the music. I still love the philosophy.

Dylstew · 08-03-2016, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bob.

No its not. There will now always be a huge difference between the people who are involved in the punk scene....the people who go to shows just to support traveling bands...the people who help book shows and promote on the streets....the people who write zines and help their local scene. And the people who find the music online and think that the music is what it's all about...the music is obviously a huge part of it but there is so much more to it.

Punk Rock is a music genre. Punk Rock has a sound. Punk rock spawned a lot of other music genres, such as Hardcore Punk. These genres including hardcore punk have a sound. Sure, a ton of **** happens around it, it means a lot to some people, and a bunch of different sometimes seperated scenes emerge. But at the end of the day it's music.

The Batlord · 08-03-2016, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Street promotion and printed zines aren't necessary anymore. I used to be all into that but it's hard for me to understand carrying on with that now since the way we communicate has changed so much.

Yeah, why exactly would you need a fanzine when you can just start a blog? And ever since Myspace, self-promotion has been easier than ever. Only point to hanging on to the old school DIY practices sounds like elitism and not liking change.

Tristan_Geoff · 08-03-2016, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Yeah, why exactly would you need a fanzine when you can just start a blog? And ever since Myspace, self-promotion has been easier than ever. Only point to hanging on to the old school DIY practices sounds like elitism and not liking change.

I think it's more an aesthetic thing. I like finding and reading zines even though it really isn't necessary anymore. Punk culture as a whole has changed drastically since the 80's, but it can still be fun to find bands from paper sources and it definitely feels cool to be part of a little music scene in that sense.

It kinda reminds me of how right before we broke up, Neil was trying to make us record in analog. I have a digital recorder, but we both felt like the music would come out sounding more authentic without the digitized lo-fi aesthetic, instead being recorded on a boombox. We had no reason to, but the appeal of doing it wasn't really in an elitist mindset.

bob. · 08-04-2016, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

Punk Rock is a music genre. Punk Rock has a sound. Punk rock spawned a lot of other music genres, such as Hardcore Punk. These genres including hardcore punk have a sound. Sure, a ton of **** happens around it, it means a lot to some people, and a bunch of different sometimes seperated scenes emerge. But at the end of the day it's music.

right....and you obviously have never been a part of an underground music scene....you have no idea what it feels like when this shit becomes a real part of you...the only part of your fucking miserable life that fucking matters....and it's the only thing that keeps you alive....

so keep making your ignorant videos and living in your little pretend internet forum world where you can try to make yourself look like some kind of fucking expert while coming off like a complete idiot....and i'll continue to contribute and be a part of what music is and does to peoples lives

Dylstew · 08-04-2016, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bob.

right....and you obviously have never been a part of an underground music scene....you have no idea what it feels like when this shit becomes a real part of you...the only part of your fucking miserable life that fucking matters....and it's the only thing that keeps you alive....

so keep making your ignorant videos and living in your little pretend internet forum world where you can try to make yourself look like some kind of fucking expert while coming off like a complete idiot....and i'll continue to contribute and be a part of what music is and does to peoples lives

I have a favourite show, thing had a huge impact on me personally. It means much more to me than just a tv show. But it's still just a tv show. My youtube channel means a lot to me. But it's still a youtube channel. I'm not pretending ****. What something means to people is different from what at it's basic core it is. And Punk started as a music genre, I got into it for that reason and I don't have to necessarily get into an underground scene to like it. Sure, music genres grow into subcultures and scenes and **** which is a wonderful thing, but at the end of the day it's music.

All I'm saying is, I never ****ing claimed to have been part of a music scene, and I never claimed to be a punk. I just really like a music genre and seeing all it's different sounds, and thought it would be fun to explain the sounds I know about. I'm certainly no expert, but it's all I know about in music so I may as well share. Those video's are from a listeners perspective, for other listeners. Hell, I even stated in my other video "I've never even been to a punk show", though now that's not true anymore. **** off.

07-30-2016, 04:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Street promotion and printed zines aren't necessary anymore. I used to be all into that but it's hard for me to understand carrying on with that now since the way we communicate has changed so much.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Things change. Things end. I still love the music. I still love the philosophy.