Is Green Day punk or nah?

**Frownland** · 11-21-2017, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Creature

I don't think anyone's going to give me any money.

But my overall point is I'm not interested in whether a band is on a major label. Labels are only interested in money but I'm not sure why they would bother looking for punk bands to turn into pop bands when they can just find pop bands.

Because pop bands have a different type of market than poppified punk bands.

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So I have no reason to think a label would make a band automatically worse or better.

Here's a great reason: Labels will generally take creative control and push their bands towards a profitable sound. Even when it's not a firm rule, it applies to Green Day as evidenced by the drastic shift away from punk when they did get signed.

Mindy · 11-21-2017, 07:27 PM

The_Creature · 11-24-2017, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Because pop bands have a different type of market than poppified punk bands.

Exactly, a market exists for pop-punk so why would they need to change a band's sound? It seems more likely the band already plays the kind of sound they are looking for. So it boils down to whether you like pop-punk in the first place or have an ethical issue with major labels. I don't think it has anything to do with changing the music.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Here's a great reason: Labels will generally take creative control and push their bands towards a profitable sound. Even when it's not a firm rule, it applies to Green Day as evidenced by the drastic shift away from punk when they did get signed.

I just don't hear it. I hear the difference after a few albums but a lot of bands change their sound over time. Dookie sounds like Kerplunk with better production values. It's louder and there's less noise. I guess that's a change in tone but it's pretty minor imo. Welcome to Paradise is on both, it doesn't sound out of place on either.

Also, this discussion has focused on the harm labels can do to a band and its early following. I think that's one way to look at it but there's also the issue of how it effects the scene generally. I think a better case can be made that major labels created a generation of pop-punk divorced from the punk scene. They got famous on the back of a sound influenced by punk, but no one in punk was acknowledged as an influence. I don't think Green Day fall under this category. They were deeply rooted in the punk scene but, through chance, they were in the right place at the right time to become hugely successful from it.

Frenchip · 11-24-2017, 09:26 AM

Personally, I'd consider them punk.

s5mato · 12-06-2017, 03:14 AM

Nah

JiggleMonster · 12-15-2017, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Listening to Dookie. Yeah.

The only Green Day album that is tolerable.

BassoonPlatoon · 07-06-2018, 04:13 PM

This forum is so cancerous when it comes to Green Day for some odd reason.

Oriphiel · 07-06-2018, 08:34 PM

It's because we listened to them

BassoonPlatoon · 07-06-2018, 08:37 PM

Evidently not.

Oriphiel · 07-06-2018, 08:40 PM

God, I wish you were right

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