Is Green Day punk or nah?

Oriphiel · 11-19-2017, 01:57 PM

This thread doesn't have a poll. Frownland?

Also, Green Day is about as punk as parachute pants. Frownland?

**Frownland** · 11-19-2017, 01:59 PM

Hmm the parachute pants is a case by case thing.

**** a poll (unless the OP wants it). It'll just get bumped 10 years from now after this thread is dead and annoy another mod.

Oriphiel · 11-19-2017, 02:00 PM

You suck. Frownland?

**Frownland** · 11-19-2017, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

You suck. Frownland?

Case by case.

Oriphiel · 11-19-2017, 02:03 PM

Bottle by bottle.

Maajo · 11-19-2017, 08:50 PM

I think they're more like post-blackened-pop-death-angstcore, definitely not punk though.

The_Creature · 11-20-2017, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

"the confines of real punk" are just you don't sign to a major label post Spiral Scratch and you don't produce your albums with a board of executives trying to turn a profit

because once you've done that you're just making a rock/pop album

So were the Clash punk? I'm pretty sure Buzzcocks beat them to releasing anything.

Also, does it matter that much who produced it? If they drastically changed their sound so a board of executives would like it that would be selling out, sure, but if some executives bet, rightly, that a band will sell millions, can we hold that against the band?

Mindy · 11-20-2017, 08:31 PM

punk

The_Creature · 11-21-2017, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

they signed to CBS before Spiral Scratch it goes down in history as just the contract you shouldn't sign

it's the reason we get Give em enough Rope which isn't particularly acclaimed by Clash fans, it was the one recorded to make $$$

I thought their good albums were released on a major label too? I agree that money as a motive can ruin the creative process. I just don't really see the harm in a label recognising a band has the potential to sell lots of records if they are also hands off when it comes to writing the album.

Shouldn't it be that anyone CAN put out a DIY records, not that everyone is obligated to? I record with a budget of barely £100 a song. If a label gave me thousands of pounds and left me to my own devices, I wouldn't suddenly sound like One Direction.

The_Creature · 11-21-2017, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you think they're gonna give you thousands of dollars to record the type of album you would have recorded on a 100 dollar budget

very briefly with The Pistols and Clash you had a period where major labels would allow that sort of thing but then they tightened the ropes and the result is both bands bitterly resented their labels and would release songs about it

I don't think anyone's going to give me any money.

But my overall point is I'm not interested in whether a band is on a major label. Labels are only interested in money but I'm not sure why they would bother looking for punk bands to turn into pop bands when they can just find pop bands. So I have no reason to think a label would make a band automatically worse or better.

I think it boils down to an entirely subjective opinion. I quite like their early stuff, and it was a kind of gateway drug for me when I was younger, whereas I presume it sounds like cookie cutter pop to you. It sounds different to us, so we put different labels on it.

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