Is Green Day punk or nah?

Blank. · 10-29-2016, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

last post wasn't really responding to you but:

musically they lack what the real difference between a rock band and a punk band is

dissonance or noise

Ok.

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you get these things not because you play power chord riffs but because your production is lofi and your equipment is cheap and your singer can't sing on key and nobody has a real sense of keeping time nor could they give a **** about it

Apparently you never their heard early stuff.

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at they same time it's separate from say exp music as punk bands have always embraced pop

Revisionism. The whole point of punk was to reject mainstream. That's what the sound was born from. Pop punk bands take that sound and use it in a more mainstream way.

Tristan_Geoff · 10-29-2016, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

last post wasn't really responding to you but:

musically they lack what the real difference between a rock band and a punk band is

dissonance or noise

you get these things not because you play power chord riffs but because your production is lofi and your equipment is cheap and your singer can't sing on key and nobody has a real sense of keeping time nor could they give a **** about it

at the same time it's separate from say de facto exp music as punk bands have always embraced pop hooks and verse chorus verse chorus

I've heard the comparison to Buzzcocks but Buzzcocks are like other 70's punk bands but with prettier guitar tones sort of pre-dating shoegaze nothing like 90's "pop punk"

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Tristan_Geoff · 10-29-2016, 08:27 AM

And now for reference with "real punk"

Notice any similarities?

Tristan_Geoff · 10-29-2016, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

feel like I've already subjected myself to enough Green Day for research purposes why more it hurts my soul

at least Longview and stuff is like Nirvana where it's pretty good rock/pop music

I could make Nirvana seem like a punk band by posting songs with large 70's punk influence but at the end of the day there's a reason we came up with a separate genre for these bands

So you're just gonna avoid even trying to see the point I'm making?

The Batlord · 10-29-2016, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I'm not sure what it was At the Drive Thru is very very different from Green Day

the videos posted didn't really challenge that

lol

Tristan_Geoff · 10-29-2016, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I'm not sure what it was At the Drive Thru is very very different from Green Day

the videos posted didn't really challenge that

You didn't find any similarities between those two? With the points you yourself made? Dissonance - check, lo-fi production, check, sloppy musicianship - check....

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Blue Hawk · 10-29-2016, 09:36 AM

Green Day is pop.

Blank. · 10-29-2016, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

are you not aware that the mainstream of rock at the time was to reject simple pop

I am a very aware

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this is the time where Pink Floyd was one of the biggest bands in the world

prog-lite bands were ruling the world

Really? Who would've thought?

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could just be a confusion I typed pop hooks because I don't mean literally popular I mean pop as in catchy and simple song structures

Catchy and simple doesn't mean pop. They tend to go hand in hand with pop but it isn't pop. Otherwise pink Floyd would wouldn't be considered pop. And not to mention they were making music that wasn't in the mainstream. Aka, not pop.

The Batlord · 10-29-2016, 10:00 AM

By pop elphie means early Beatles or the Kinks. Punk rock was all about rejecting what they say as the needless complexity and self-indulgence of mainstream 70s rock and going back to that early, simple style of rock and then progressing from there as if Led Zeppelin and Yes had never happened.

Blank. · 10-29-2016, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

By pop elphie means early Beatles or the Kinks. Punk rock was all about rejecting what they say as the needless complexity and self-indulgence of mainstream 70s rock and going back to that early, simple style of rock and then progressing from there as if Led Zeppelin and Yes had never happened.

I know what he means. I understand it. But I think it's dumb. Pop means popular. So if the sound wasn't popular then it's not pop.

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