Is Green Day punk or nah?

Blank. · 07-10-2016, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bob.

Even when given the tools for that comment to not go completely over your head....it still does

Even when there's a joke, it still goes over your head.

bob. · 07-10-2016, 08:04 PM

how would i know that's a joke when it has NOTHING to do with the comment you quoted that was referencing the song posted?

had you said something along the lines of "well Billy Joe's hair was blue and now it's green".....that would be a joke

Blank. · 07-10-2016, 09:20 PM

I know I'm not the funniest guy on earth, in fact most of my attempts at humor tend to fall flat, but i thought the lol at the end was a pretty nice indication that it was a joke.

TechnicLePanther · 07-12-2016, 11:08 AM

Here's your logic:

1. I like punk.
2. I don't like Green Day.
3. Therefore, Green Day isn't punk.

This is stupid. It's like me saying:

1. I like ska.
2. I hate No Doubt.
3. Therefore, No Doubt isn't ska.

Same basic principle, even same era, but if you told anyone that No Doubt aren't ska, you would be laughed at.

After the 80s, hardcore fell out of favor, and so bands like Green Day took cues from the Ramones and the Sex Pistols. Punk wasn't always fast tempos and shouted lyrics.

Also even if they aren't punk, Green Day are better songwriters than most punk bands.

Also all of Green Day's biggest hits are their most tame songs (of course). Even American Idiot is pretty wild when you look past the hits.

I've been relistening to their discography because of this thread, and Kerplunk is a really sweet album. It's got really **** production, but what do you expect from a punk band.

Dylstew · 07-13-2016, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Here's your logic:

1. I like punk.
2. I don't like Green Day.
3. Therefore, Green Day isn't punk.

This is stupid. It's like me saying:

1. I like ska.
2. I hate No Doubt.
3. Therefore, No Doubt isn't ska.

Same basic principle, even same era, but if you told anyone that No Doubt aren't ska, you would be laughed at.

After the 80s, hardcore fell out of favor, and so bands like Green Day took cues from the Ramones and the Sex Pistols. Punk wasn't always fast tempos and shouted lyrics.

Also even if they aren't punk, Green Day are better songwriters than most punk bands.

Also all of Green Day's biggest hits are their most tame songs (of course). Even American Idiot is pretty wild when you look past the hits.

I've been relistening to their discography because of this thread, and Kerplunk is a really sweet album. It's got really **** production, but what do you expect from a punk band.

I agree entirely on your main point, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's on that genre. But doesn't No Doubt have a ton of pop songs devoid of any Ska? I mean, later madness is similar in that regard, but still, I could see how people don't find No Doubt Ska as a lot of the most popular songs aren't ska in the slightest.

I think Reel Big Fish would fit your argument more. A lot of 1st/2nd wave ska fans hate on Third Wave Ska such as Reel Big Fish, but just because it sounds different and they hate it doesn't mean it's not Ska. That's no true scotsman ****.

And indeed, Green Day takes influence from Punk Rock, not Hardcore. It almost seems like some hardcore fans think more abrasive=better or something..
There's tons of softer punk tracks I find much more redeeming than a lot of really abrasive songs, and that's not because I dislike abrasiveness (in fact, I love it), it's that songwriting I dig goes first (tho, sometimes Timbre causes generic songwriting to still result in a standout track.)

JGuy Grungeman · 07-15-2016, 09:25 AM

1. I like prog.
2. I don't like Pink Floyd.
3. Therefore, Pink Floyd isn't prog.

:P

The Batlord · 07-15-2016, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

1. I like prog.
2. I don't like Pink Floyd.
3. Therefore, Pink Floyd isn't prog.

:P

I'm starting to come around to this line of reasoning.

**Frownland** · 07-15-2016, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

1. I like prog.
2. I don't like Pink Floyd.
3. Therefore, Pink Floyd isn't prog.

:P

Well I'm glad you don't think Floyd is prog anymore, but I've got to say that Pink Floyd is pretty great.

JGuy Grungeman · 07-15-2016, 09:46 AM

...

A troll who doesn't recognize trolling. Now I've seen everything.

I really don't understand why this debate about Green Day even exists. It seems pretty simple. They started out as a pop punk band, and later went into alternative.

**Frownland** · 07-15-2016, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

...

A troll who doesn't recognize trolling. Now I've seen everything.

Can't tell if your irony is intentional or not with this post.

07-10-2016, 08:04 PM	#202 (permalink)
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TechnicLePanther and the livin' is easy... Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New York Posts: 1,997	Here's your logic: 1. I like punk. 2. I don't like Green Day. 3. Therefore, Green Day isn't punk. This is stupid. It's like me saying: 1. I like ska. 2. I hate No Doubt. 3. Therefore, No Doubt isn't ska. Same basic principle, even same era, but if you told anyone that No Doubt aren't ska, you would be laughed at. After the 80s, hardcore fell out of favor, and so bands like Green Day took cues from the Ramones and the Sex Pistols. Punk wasn't always fast tempos and shouted lyrics. Also even if they aren't punk, Green Day are better songwriters than most punk bands. Also all of Green Day's biggest hits are their most tame songs (of course). Even American Idiot is pretty wild when you look past the hits. I've been relistening to their discography because of this thread, and Kerplunk is a really sweet album. It's got really ** production, but what do you expect from a punk band. __________________ Many have tried to destroy it... but... true evil never dies. It is only... REBORN SUGGEST ME AN ALBUM** - I'm probably not going to listen to it but I will if you bother me enough.

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JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	1. I like prog. 2. I don't like Pink Floyd. 3. Therefore, Pink Floyd isn't prog. :P __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

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JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	... A troll who doesn't recognize trolling. Now I've seen everything. I really don't understand why this debate about Green Day even exists. It seems pretty simple. They started out as a pop punk band, and later went into alternative. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

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Blank. Jacob Sartorius Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dank memes Posts: 4,033	I know I'm not the funniest guy on earth, in fact most of my attempts at humor tend to fall flat, but i thought the lol at the end was a pretty nice indication that it was a joke.