I don't really care if you don't like them either, but there just seems to be an oddly intense hatred and aversion for them here. I just thought of all place a "music" forum would be a bit more open.

Why are people close minded for not liking them?

I'm just not into pop punk in general m8. I've attempted to give it a fair shot and have found some good stuff on the post hardcore side of things but GD just is not the business.

And music nerds are the most closed minded *******s about music who ever existed, don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. Some of us will give something else a shot if you've got it, Green Day is just old news.

It seems like once they had major mainstream success, they became lightning rods for hate. A tale as old as time.

That's a good point. The Beatles and especially Led Zeppelin seem to have lost their luster on here and their legends are obvious. It's like looking for a needle in the haystack to find anything on the Rolling Stones other than are they better than Aerosmith.

But yeah, a lot of it for me, like Frownland, is simply not being a fan of Pop Punk. One of the worst things I ever heard is having to endure a hour and a half of that insipid music off American Pie. On thing I do like about Green Day is that they're able to get off their established sound on rare occasions.

The fact that it's considered kind of weird if you don't kiss the asses of those bands is exactly what's so annoying about them. I don't have to think they made good music and I don't. It's pretty uncontroversial if you don't like all sorts of bands, but the moment you don't bow down before the altar of the Beatles, you get those "Bodysnatchers" stares.

It isn't just the Beatles. Chula takes a lot of grief here because he happens to be a Zeppelin fan boy. Someone could come on here extolling the virtues of the Who and he'll probably get booed off the stage. I'm amazed Pink Floyd hasn't been trashed here given their legendary status.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if it's the Beatles or Led Zeppelin or the Bonzo Doo Dah Dog Band. If they're good, they're good. Popularity doesn't weigh into it. At least not to me.

Popularity shouldn't weigh into anything, but like I'll consider any band I like good, I'll consider any band I don't like bad. So basically, it just seems that some popular bands don't have a huge following on this site, which is really fair and square.

I think Pink Floyd did got taken down a peg at least a little a few months back. If I recall correctly, there's not as unanimous praise of The Wall and Dark Side Of The Moon as you'd maybe expect. I thought they were boring albums tbh

Pink Floyd are being trashed regularly.

Everyone loves Black Sabbath, though. Literally everybody. So it might not just be about being against popular stuff. Maybe, just maybe, Beatles, Zep and PF do kinda suck or at least are quite a bit overrated.

Even grumpy old me. I mean, sure, I don't rank Sabbath albums like most would and I don't listen to them much, but I've still got a handful on my shelf.

Zep, Beatles, Floyd... they're all quite old bands by now. A lot has happened in music since and people of my age and younger didn't grow up with them like the 60's generation did. Disregarding historical context (which I always insist on doing), I can't really say that any of them seem that special to me. Especially the Beatles. Pink Floyd might have a few albums I could see myself getting into with time. Some of their earlier stuff was pretty interesting and very atmospheric.

Shouldn't you separate the music from the fanbase though?

#sanctimoniousbanter

I love at least a few albums from all of those artists. Mondo posts about The Who. We boo people off of the stage for being boring schmucks.

Dingdingdingdingdingding

Some of it I'm sure is generational. My generation looked down on Elvis Presley even when he died.

But there is a historical context to all these artists and some that predate even Presley. If it wasn't for Elvis, the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, et al (and I guess we should also add Bob Dylan to the mix), we probably wouldn't be here talking about the bands we talk about today. Maybe this would just be a Sinatra fanboy forum.

Absolutely, but it's probably a little bit hard at times with bands that have huge and obnoxious fanbases.

There is a historical context of course, but what I'm arguing is that that should not play into my view of a given band. If anything, I'd say I'm being very, very fair by listening to the Beatles as if they were just a bunch of nobodies. Doesn't make them sound any better or worse that they played a part in rock and pop music history.

I'm just cutting the hype out of the equation - letting my ears judge them rather than any weird feeling that I "should" like them because they're "important" or whatever. It's out of respect to the music.

Who cares about bands being old or not? There's tons of stuff from the sixties that still sounds as mind-blowing as ever.

I disagree. Chula doesn't get **** for being a Fanboy, he gets **** for not shutting up about it.

I'm a Fanboy of the following members of the official MB shitlist, Slipknot, Tool, and Nu Metal in general. No one gives me **** bout it really. Why? Cause I don't bring it up constantly.

We would be ****ting on Sinatra, keep up with your own narrative.

Plenty of people on this site ride all of those bands' dicks. You're imagining things. We're just not Rolling Stone Magazine.

But now that you have: **** you and **** those ****ty-ass bands.

Where you been? It was no secret.

Oh, I've known.
Pretty sure I've already given you **** for Tool and Slipknot.
Just wanted to use the opportunity. <3

Tool is good, they'd be better if they had a less cringy vocalist though. Slipnut's whack.

Probably.
He isn't even that bad but he makes the music sound like lame, generic alternative rock and **** that.

He sings like a dudebro at a karaoke bar. When I saw them play, that was amplified because all of the stupid ****ing Tool fans decided to turn it into a goddamn singalong session. Good thing that had a crazy visual display.

Listening to them rn.
If he would shut up the music would indeed be 5 times better already.
I also wish the guitar tone was a bit cooler.

That came out wrong. I didn't mean to say that music is worse because it's old or something.

Which is lame considering venues like Gilman used to book bands Green Day, AFI, etc. specifically because they drew a large enough crowd to pay the bills.

Basically, you make money for them and it's all good. You make money for yourself and you get on the banned list.

Capitalist swine.

Right. You stay with the person who brought you to the dance, or you go home.

Sure they technically sold out but how many people even know of their first two albums. Dookie was their first major label release so...

Well...actually idk tbh. I had one.

I remember my point. Dookie seems to be considered the start of Green Day. I rarely ever hear anybody talk about their previous albums but I could be wrong. I guess you could consider that selling out but Dookie was still their first official major lable release. I wouldn't call that selling out, just grasping an opportunity. Hell. Dookie is better than anything that did afterwards anyway. So they may as well have started there.

Idc tho. Green day is the best band ever so yeah.

IDK personally I think they came staggering back with 21st Century Breakdown.

Green Day isn't Punk Rock. They are pop rock IMO. Simply trying to look punk and trying your hardest to sound edgy, makes you not punk.

I'm not saying I absolutely hate them. Some of their tunes were catchy, they had some good licks but to me it was just pop rock. From day 1 it was targeted for main stream consumption, had a slight edge, but still very safe.

Lastly they whined and complained about what critics and fans said all the time. Punk is an attitude not just a genre - Axl Rose was punk rock. Liam Gallagher was punk rock - regardless of what you'd call their music styles.

Guns N Roses basically brought back Led Zeppelin with added knuckle dragging.

No wonder Chula loves them and says the same tired **** about Marshall stacks and Les Paul guitars whenever he gets the chance.

If you said Axl Rose and Liam Gallagher were "punks" I would agree with you. But they are not "Punk Rock." Plain and simple: they are not a music genre.

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thrash metal tbh