Because pop bands have a different type of market than poppified punk bands.

Here's a great reason: Labels will generally take creative control and push their bands towards a profitable sound. Even when it's not a firm rule, it applies to Green Day as evidenced by the drastic shift away from punk when they did get signed.

:yeah:

Exactly, a market exists for pop-punk so why would they need to change a band's sound? It seems more likely the band already plays the kind of sound they are looking for. So it boils down to whether you like pop-punk in the first place or have an ethical issue with major labels. I don't think it has anything to do with changing the music.


I just don't hear it. I hear the difference after a few albums but a lot of bands change their sound over time. Dookie sounds like Kerplunk with better production values. It's louder and there's less noise. I guess that's a change in tone but it's pretty minor imo. Welcome to Paradise is on both, it doesn't sound out of place on either.


Also, this discussion has focused on the harm labels can do to a band and its early following. I think that's one way to look at it but there's also the issue of how it effects the scene generally. I think a better case can be made that major labels created a generation of pop-punk divorced from the punk scene. They got famous on the back of a sound influenced by punk, but no one in punk was acknowledged as an influence. I don't think Green Day fall under this category. They were deeply rooted in the punk scene but, through chance, they were in the right place at the right time to become hugely successful from it.

Personally, I'd consider them punk.

Nah :)

The only Green Day album that is tolerable.

This forum is so cancerous when it comes to Green Day for some odd reason.

It's because we listened to them

Evidently not.

God, I wish you were right

Green Day is the best band ever made. Every album is perfect.

Greenday über alles in der Welt.

By whom?

The Bell Tolls

I sincerely question you if you are honestly having this reaction.

Is Death Grips more punk than Green Day?

Is Fresh Prince more of a "white" rapper than Eminem?

No but the Fresh Prince is more punk than Green Day :rofl:

Green Day is punk.

I like person who slays himself with his own jokes. :laughing:

Oh, the irony! It's too much to bear. :laughing:

But they are. It's not even up for debate tbh
Just not necessarily any good, but that's a whole other question.

From what I've been told they're older stuff was punk, but they're popular stuff definitely is not very punk. Pop punk. Which could easily just be considered alternative rock.

How can it be punk if I don't like it?

Dookie is a fun album just throwing it out there don't mind me I'm just mopping up this puddle of vomit no need to pay any attention to what I say I'm gonna mosey on down to the vending machine and hope I have enough for a bag of Doritos OMFG WHY IN THE **** WOULD ANYTHING BE MORE THAN A DOLLAR IN A VENDING MACHINE $1.25 ARE YOU KIDDING ME WHAT IS THIS NAZI GERMANY but seriously Dookie is a fun album.

Dude "Welcome to Paradise" does nothing for you? If you're down with Buzzcocks then you're retarded for not digging it. Along with a good amount of Green Day songs tbh.

I embrace my retardation.

OMG I didn't peg you for a Buzzcocks fan.

One of those few albums from my teen years that I should probably get my hands on again. That and Smash by Offspring.

Dookie's one of my top 10 albums ever and GD are one of my favorite bands all around

*points and laughs*

I'm not one to judge. I wouldn't pick it for a top 1000, but at least the album is energetic, fun and catchy.

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In the usual desert island scenario, I'd pick Dookie over Trout Mask Replica any time.
Then I would spend the rest of my island life wondering if I'd eventually have felt good about the decision if I'd picked TMR instead.

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You'll have the head smack moment with TMR eventually, I'm sure. Even TH came around a little.

Although I'm sure he never goes out of his way to listen to it.

He's to busy rocking out to MMM.

All kidding aside, I don't really hate Green Day. There are a handful of songs I like such as Wake Me When September Ends and Basket Case. Basically, though, you can put the best of Green Day on one album and pretty much discard the rest.

frankly I couldn't care less if other people don't like them

You probably wouldn't get a full album.

... might have to settle for an EP.