Why is "Post-Punk" even considered "Punk"?

Blank. · 07-03-2016, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Okay, punk is an attitude, but not the one he describes.

It does involve DIY, but the punk attitude also includes having a lot of energy, generally protesting the system, and usually angst/anger towards society.

I'm not saying punk isn't an attitude. In fact it's the exact attitude that you describe. But punk music has a sound. And elephenor is claiming that what I'm saying isn't true.

The Batlord · 07-03-2016, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

that's what I'm saying isn't true.

Trying to figure this one out but I got nothing.

Blank. · 07-03-2016, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Trying to figure this one out but I got nothing.

I'm on a tablet and it autocorrected to that for some reason.

TechnicLePanther · 07-04-2016, 08:28 AM

Okay, so attitude of punk is [see above], and sound of punk is 4/4 tempos, simple and repetitive chord patterns, general loudness, and bad vocalists. Anybody have any counter-examples that will force us to add to the list?

Blank. · 07-04-2016, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Okay, so attitude of punk is [see above], and sound of punk is 4/4 tempos, simple and repetitive chord patterns, general loudness, and bad vocalists. Anybody have any counter-examples that will force us to add to the list?

I can agree with this entirely. The punk bands that don't meet these qualifications I don't consider punk. I think that's when they start moving into the punk rock surgenres like post-punk and new wave. Maybe not those ones specifically, but i think you get my point.

The Batlord · 07-04-2016, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Could literally contradict everyone of these with just the essential punk acts

Do I start name dropping?

Edit1: to say that punk is 4/4 tempos is like ehhhh sort offfffff sometimesssss

if they even play in time ever usually a punk band is constantly lurching ahead of the beat that's essentially what the "out of control" sound boils down to

edit2: "bad vocalists" is subjective if you mean amateur/unprofessional vocalists yes but I covered that, supports the idea that Punk is just amateur attempts at different types of music

I'm sure there would be more people arguing with you, but after so long on this site we've all seen the "The Kinks Were Punk Before Punk Was Punk" dude come around about a million times and try to prove they're the most open-minded music snob around by arguing that punk is/is not this or that, and it's kind of hard to summon up the enthusiasm to start beating the dead horse again. But... you're wrong... and ****... eh.

All I ask is that you please refrain from starting a debate about 4'33". We've had quite enough of those.

OccultHawk · 07-04-2016, 11:03 AM

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4'33

So you're asking for folks to keep silent on silence?

grindy · 07-04-2016, 11:04 AM

Inb4 Frown tells us there is no silence.

The Batlord · 07-04-2016, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Inb4 Frown tells us there is no silence.

Seriously. I.N.B.4.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 07-04-2016, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Inb4 Frown tells us there is no silence.

Something something sound, something something vacuum, something something John Cage.

Did I do it right?

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