Music Banter - The "What Does Punk and it's Idealogy Mean To You?" Thread

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1638656)

Thrash and Extreme metal on the other hand wouldn't be possible (or would sound very different) without the influence of Discharge and the Void.

It's possible that some styles of extreme metal would have developed on its own though. There are roots in jazz music that are heavier than any punk band that I've ever heard.

Blast beats circa 1968.

Also forgot to add that I don't really consider punk fashion to be too big a part of it, especially modern day. Fashion is conformity, and no matter how you look at it, Anti-fashion is still fashion. Going out of your way to dress up doesn't really amount to much, at least to me.

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1638656)

Thrash and Extreme metal on the other hand wouldn't be possible (or would sound very different) without the influence of Discharge and the Void.

Yeah,That's all I'm saying. Without Punk, we wouldn't have Speed Metal, which means we wouldn't have Thrash.

Also, I didn't know if he was serious or not. Humor isn't always easy to see on the internet, easy to misinterpret and all.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1638657)

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1638657)

Jesus that's some scary Jazz. And in 1968 no less? I really need to get more into Jazz then, love that avant-garde stuff. I checked out your Wolves in Sheepskin thing and I'm really digging it. Might even buy it at some point.

Do you listen to Zu?

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1638661)

Free jazz/improvisation can be some of the most violent music you've ever heard, but also very sultry. Go ahead and download those records for free if you like, I'm not in it for the money. Also, yes, Zu is actually one of my favourite bands.

Back on topic, I think that punk's ideals have grown to be something of a cliche at this point with teenagers picking it up every generation. I don't think that it's a bad thing necessarily, but when a punk band sounds like 98% of the other punk bands in his area, it's hard for me not to laugh when they start to use words like "unorthodox".

When I think of Punk, I think of the simpler side of music. The side that's all about you and a few of your friends just meeting up and playing music. It's not all about trying to become the next big thing, or getting paid tons of money (though doing either of those doesn't automatically make you "not Punk," in my opinion). It's just about the music and the fun you have playing it.

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1638632)

I asked a similar question a while ago on Y!A but we couldn't really get too in depth with talking about it due to the limitations of that website. One of the things I love most about punk is the community; and how everyone has very different views on what's punk and what's not. As well as how people are supposed to act and blah blah. My friends for example act considerably different than I, but we're all part of the same sub-culture. I'm wondering what opinions everyone on here has of this?

I think punk is about honesty. The music is more human, and no one cares how raw the production is or how many times the drumer messes up, most of the time in fact praising these qualities. The people tend not to lie about who they are, instead embracing their imperfections and just not giving a **** what people think about their clothes or demeanor. It's not about how good of a musician you are, it's about what you can accomplish WITH what little/much musicianship you have and the message you create. It's about having fun, while introducing new unorthodox values to the culture while doing so. That's punk to me.

You'd think punk culture would have resulted in music that is more chaotic and ****ed up than the sloppily played same-sounding pop songs punk actually usually is.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1638660)

But there's no guitar, someone might say whinily.

1971.

I see your 1971 Takayanagi and raise you a 1969 Schoof.