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Justthefacts 09-20-2015 12:31 PM

Modern Post-Punk Super Appreciation Thread
 
This relatively new modern wave of post-punk (2010-2015) has been the biggest underground obsession, such as when the short-lived "post-punk revival" fad came in the noughties and produced records from Bloc Party, LCD Soundsystem, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The Rapture, White Stripes, The National, etc etc. much different sounding, sure. Nonetheless, it's still my favorite time for music, nothing compares to it I believe.

What I'm now trying to say is that I have no doubt this era, might it be longlived or shortlived, be described as the brooding revival of true post-punk, recalling bands like Sonic Youth, Joy Division, early Nick Cave. Post-punk shows you go to these days will never be as good as they are now for awhile until 25 years from now it comes back again in full swing. It's exciting, alrite?

I guess the point of this thread is to maybe recommend some newer bands making waves in the underground currently. Bands like Iceage, Ought, Protomartyr, Cloud Nothings, Viet Cong. That dark, sometimes melodic, always punk sound. Even bands in the noughties be recommended.

Some songs from some of my favorite ones



sidewinder 09-21-2015 10:01 PM

Love this thread. I too have been really into the true post-punk revival. I liked some of the previous post-punk revival, but to me a lot of it was too polished while the most recent stuff like you're referring to is a lot more in the spirit of stuff like Joy Division, Bauhaus, etc. with its DIY, underground aesthetic. I like it very, very much. I'll post some of my favs in the next day or so but I'm especially into Viet Cong, Institute, and Total Control lately.

Justthefacts 09-21-2015 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 1636667)
Love this thread. I too have been really into the true post-punk revival. I liked some of the previous post-punk revival, but to me a lot of it was too polished while the most recent stuff like you're referring to is a lot more in the spirit of stuff like Joy Division, Bauhaus, etc. with its DIY, underground aesthetic. I like it very, very much. I'll post some of my favs in the next day or so but I'm especially into Viet Cong, Institute, and Total Control lately.

And now I'm gonna listen to Institute and Total Control. Self Defense Family's another obscure gem


Frownland 09-22-2015 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justthefacts (Post 1636669)
And now I'm gonna listen to Institute and Total Control. Self Defense Family's another obscure gem


Hell yes, Heaven is Earth is one of my top releases of 2015.

Just started the new Ought album and it's pretty good. I agree with what someone else said on here (sidewinder I think?) about the vocals being much better. It's not like I thought the vocals on the debut were bad, but I find the new ones a lot more interesting.

Black Francis 09-22-2015 12:24 PM

Im having a hard time defining modern post punk, you mentioned the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and the Rapture and to me they do sound like modern post punk but you also mentioned Bloc party and Sonic youth which i would define as alternative / experimental rock.

Can this be considered modern post punk?


Justthefacts 09-22-2015 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1636768)
Im having a hard time defining modern post punk, you mentioned the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and the Rapture and to me they do sound like modern post punk but you also mentioned Bloc party and Sonic youth which i would define as alternative / experimental rock.

Can this be considered modern post punk?


The "Post Punk Revival" of the early 00's is much different sounding than the post-punk movement happening now. So bands like The Rapture and Franz Ferdinand then had these sort of angular, spiky guitar tones that defined that genre. So no, QOTSA are certainly not post-punk. I said Sonic Youth because their experimental art rock they did is seeping into post-punk music today, such as the band Ought and their new record.

Black Francis 09-22-2015 01:26 PM

How bout the Hives?

DeadChannel 09-22-2015 01:34 PM

The hives have been referred to as post punk. Qotsa is desert/stoner rock, with some vaguely industrial sounds appearing on Era Vulgaris and more of a straight (albeit, very good) hard rock vibe on ...Like Clockwork.

The hives are old enough that they belong to the older post punk revival thing, though, I think.

Justthefacts 09-22-2015 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1636796)
The hives have been referred to as post punk. Qotsa is desert/stoner rock, with some vaguely industrial sounds appearing on Era Vulgaris and more of a straight (albeit, very good) hard rock vibe on ...Like Clockwork.

The hives are old enough that they belong to the older post punk revival thing, though, I think.

This. One of those bands during that time I never got into though.

DeadChannel 09-22-2015 01:41 PM

I've never gotten that into the records, but their live shows look ****ing crazy.

Black Francis 09-22-2015 02:06 PM

I got into the Hives a bit, especially this song.


sidewinder 09-22-2015 02:53 PM

Yeah The Hives were part of that revival sound of the early 00s - that particular track sounds more like Garage Rock Revival to me though, not post punk at all. Some of QOTSA's stuff is arguably garage rock revival as well, but again not Post-Punk at all, especially not "real" post-punk.

sidewinder 09-22-2015 02:59 PM

I also think bands like Ought, Cloud Nothings, and Self Defense Family (which is still in my queue) are as much if not more post-hardcore than they are post-punk. Protomartyr I guess has elements of post-hardcore and maybe some post-punk, but I'd classify them as garage punk.

Semantics.

Justthefacts 09-22-2015 04:12 PM

Like any of us even know what the hell we're saying.

Frownland 09-22-2015 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 1636836)
I also think bands like Ought, Cloud Nothings, and Self Defense Family (which is still in my queue) are as much if not more post-hardcore than they are post-punk. Protomartyr I guess has elements of post-hardcore and maybe some post-punk, but I'd classify them as garage punk.

Semantics.

I'd say Ought has a pretty heavy post punk element, mainly with the The Fall influence, but I agree that SDF is definitely post hardcore. I was just happy to see them mentioned.

Exo 09-22-2015 04:40 PM

Forgive me if some of these fall into different genres for you. I categorize the together because I tend to listen to them together. They're all of the same spirit. If some aren't traditionally referred to as Post Punk then...just...just f*cking deal with it.

Also, great thread idea.

Ought
Cloud Nothings
Self Defense Family

I just wanted to comment on the above three. I've been listening to Cloud Nothings like a madmen recently. The other two are great as well. Oughts new album needs to grow on me a bit but I feel it will.

Andrew Jackson Jihad (More folk punk but deserves a mention)
Antemasque
The Austerity Program
Axes (More mathy)
Bats
Blood Brothers (More Post Hardcore)
By The End of Tonight
Cheetahs
Cleft
Crash of Rhinos
Creepoid (More Shoegaze/DreamPunk/Alsomyfavoriteband)
Cymbals Eat Guitars
The Dead Weather (Come on, they are)
Death From Above 1979
Dirty Dishes
Drive Like Jehu
The Drones
Eagulls
The Evens
Hoover
Joanna Gruesome
Mammut (From Iceland. Yeah!)
Meat Wave
mewithoutyou
No Spill Blood (More Synth Punk)
Pygmy Lush (Early Stuff)
Shellac
Tera Melos
These Arms Are Snakes
Turboslut
Unwound
Volcano!
Wavves
Whores
Young Widows

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justthefacts (Post 1636864)
Like any of us even know what the hell we're saying.

This pretty much describes my post.

EDIT: Disregard this entire list because I'm a very stupid person and thought post punk was post hardcore. Genres are stupid.

sidewinder 09-22-2015 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1636865)
I'd say Ought has a pretty heavy post punk element, mainly with the The Fall influence, but I agree that SDF is definitely post hardcore. I was just happy to see them mentioned.

I'll buy that argument for Ought.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1636867)
Forgive me if some of these fall into different genres for you. I categorize the together because I tend to listen to them together. They're all of the same spirit. If some aren't traditionally referred to as Post Punk then...just...just f*cking deal with it.

I'm trying..but This might as well turn into a "post-hardcore & post-punk" thread if we're going there. :p: I know genres aren't mutually exclusive and I also group a lot of post-punk and post-hardcore in my listening. But let's admit most of those don't really relate to the original point of the thread, and I say that because I'm hoping to discover more from this recent "real" post-punk resurrection that I love so much (as opposed to the revival of last decade). Post-punk often being characterized by the prominence of driving bass lines, dark themes, melancholic tones and monotone vocals, angular guitars (also a characteristic of post-punk), and sometimes a more experimental, kraut or art rock approach as compared to post-hardcore. Then there's also the more jangly and new wavey side of post-punk with bands like The Feelies, Talking Heads...quite a big difference even between those two.

Anyway just trying to keep the thread focused, that's all. There isn't some hard straight line dividing the genres, but I'd especially call out Antemasque, Creepoid, The Dead Weather, Death From Above 1979, Drive Like Jehu, The Evens, Cheetahs, mewithoutyou, Shellac, Tera Melos, These Arms Are Snakes, Unwound, Wavves, as most definitely not being post-punk. I'm not familiar enough with the rest.

sidewinder 09-22-2015 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Justthefacts (Post 1636669)
And now I'm gonna listen to Institute and Total Control. Self Defense Family's another obscure gem


Just listened to this album on my way home. The vocals remind me a lot of Wilderness, a post-punk/indie band from Baltimore. Quite good overall, and there are post-punk undertones and influences but it feels predominantly post-hardcore. Some of the lyrics were on the emo side as well (not in a bad way).





This band is a little bit of post-everything - post-punk, post-rock, post-hardcore.

Justthefacts 09-22-2015 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1636867)
Forgive me if some of these fall into different genres for you. I categorize the together because I tend to listen to them together. They're all of the same spirit. If some aren't traditionally referred to as Post Punk then...just...just f*cking deal with it.

Also, great thread idea.

Ought
Cloud Nothings
Self Defense Family

I just wanted to comment on the above three. I've been listening to Cloud Nothings like a madmen recently. The other two are great as well. Oughts new album needs to grow on me a bit but I feel it will.

Andrew Jackson Jihad (More folk punk but deserves a mention)
Antemasque
The Austerity Program
Axes (More mathy)
Bats
Blood Brothers (More Post Hardcore)
By The End of Tonight
Cheetahs
Cleft
Crash of Rhinos
Creepoid (More Shoegaze/DreamPunk/Alsomyfavoriteband)
Cymbals Eat Guitars
The Dead Weather (Come on, they are)
Death From Above 1979
Dirty Dishes
Drive Like Jehu
The Drones
Eagulls
The Evens
Hoover
Joanna Gruesome
Mammut (From Iceland. Yeah!)
Meat Wave
mewithoutyou
No Spill Blood (More Synth Punk)
Pygmy Lush (Early Stuff)
Shellac
Tera Melos
These Arms Are Snakes
Turboslut
Unwound
Volcano!
Wavves
Whores
Young Widows



This pretty much describes my post.

Antemasque sure, the Dead Weather sound more like garage rock, and The Evens I don't know what the fuck to describe them as. Maybe post-hardcore, okay from here on out since post-punk/hardcore go hand in hand, we can recommend post-hardcore bands. I say this because I'll give you an example:


Pretty post-punk to me

Wait a minute? They're rocking face!


The only one's I'm truly head over heels for is At The Drive-In and Million Dead, also Cloud Nothings.

Exo 09-23-2015 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 1636894)
I'm trying..but This might as well turn into a "post-hardcore & post-punk" thread if we're going there. :p: I know genres aren't mutually exclusive and I also group a lot of post-punk and post-hardcore in my listening. But let's admit most of those don't really relate to the original point of the thread, and I say that because I'm hoping to discover more from this recent "real" post-punk resurrection that I love so much (as opposed to the revival of last decade). Post-punk often being characterized by the prominence of driving bass lines, dark themes, melancholic tones and monotone vocals, angular guitars (also a characteristic of post-punk), and sometimes a more experimental, kraut or art rock approach as compared to post-hardcore. Then there's also the more jangly and new wavey side of post-punk with bands like The Feelies, Talking Heads...quite a big difference even between those two.

Anyway just trying to keep the thread focused, that's all. There isn't some hard straight line dividing the genres, but I'd especially call out Antemasque, Creepoid, The Dead Weather, Death From Above 1979, Drive Like Jehu, The Evens, Cheetahs, mewithoutyou, Shellac, Tera Melos, These Arms Are Snakes, Unwound, Wavves, as most definitely not being post-punk. I'm not familiar enough with the rest.

Like I said, not all of them are going to make sense to everybody. I really do feel that all the bands I listed have post punk influence in their sound even if they don't stick to that sound for an entire album. I also just wanted to start out with a general list of bands that people could look at and check out the ones they don't know. This site is notorious for genre arguments and I don't mean to start one, but you have a point in that this thread is about one particular genre so we can stick to the pure breeds.

Just curious. What would you classify Drive Like Jehu and Shellac as?

Goofle 09-23-2015 02:13 PM

I've left out a few that I have seen mentioned already, but sorry if I repeat:

Algiers
A Place to Bury Strangers
Have a Nice Life
Satisfact
Savage Republic
Snowman
Soko (post-punk bands and their "S" names amiright?)
Iceage
Viet Cong
Wild Moth

sidewinder 09-23-2015 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1637117)
Just curious. What would you classify Drive Like Jehu and Shellac as?

Predominantly post-hardcore, with elements of noise rock and math rock.

Exo 09-23-2015 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 1637167)
Predominantly post-hardcore, with elements of noise rock and math rock.

We have different ears.

Black Francis 09-23-2015 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 1637167)
Predominantly post-hardcore, with elements of noise rock and math rock.

Sounds about right.

There's a punk edge to them though.

Frownland 09-23-2015 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1637169)
We have different ears.

I think your ears are broken.

sidewinder 09-23-2015 07:17 PM

Institute - Giddy Boys 7" (2014)


Institute - "Weak Times" (Demo EP, 2013)


Institute - "Admit I'm Shit" (Catharsis, 2015)


Total Control - "Carpet Rash" (Henge Beat, 2011)


Total Control - "Meds II" (Henge Beat, 2011)


Total Control - "Expensive Dog" (Typical System, 2014)


Total Control - "Flesh War" (Typical System, 2014)


Viet Cong - "Unconscious Melody" (Cassette, 2013)


Viet Cong - "Structureless Design" (Cassette, 2013)
Not my favorite track on the demo, but arguably the most post-punk.


Viet Cong - "Continental Shelf" (Viet Cong, 2015)
This song still makes me melt, it's like everything I want music to be. Same for "Silhouettes" really.

Exo 09-23-2015 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1637179)
I think your ears are broken.

I'm not saying he's wrong. I just wouldn't use the term predominantly. I also suck at and hate genres.

sidewinder 09-23-2015 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1637177)
Sounds about right.

There's a punk edge to them though.

There's a punk edge to all of post-hardcore though. That's where it comes from.

In a sense, one could argue that post-hardcore is to the 90s what post-punk was to the 80s. 70s punk lead to post-punk, hardcore punk lead to post-hardcore.

sidewinder 09-23-2015 07:20 PM

Girls Names - "The New Life" (The New Life, 2013)


Disappears - "Hibernation Sickness" (Pre Language, 2012)


Shopping - Consumer Complaints (2013)
Sounds a lot like Pylon with the funky bass and female vocals.


DIÄT - "Everyday / Hinge & Bracket" (2013)


Duchess Says - "Gainsbourg" (In a Fung Day T!, 2011)


Tense Men - "Stages of Boredom" (Where Dull Care Is Forgotten EP, 2014)

Justthefacts 09-23-2015 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1637122)
I've left out a few that I have seen mentioned already, but sorry if I repeat:

Algiers
A Place to Bury Strangers
Have a Nice Life
Satisfact
Savage Republic
Snowman
Soko (post-punk bands and their "S" names amiright?)
Iceage
Viet Cong
Wild Moth

Iceage are tricky, their first two records sounded to me like post-hardcore/noise rock (especially You're Nothing) with elements of post-punk, whereas Plowing Into The Field Of Love is straight Post-punk/Art rock. I prefer it to their two priors.

Also, Like to give a shout out

Exo 09-23-2015 08:42 PM

Maybe I just don't know what the f*ck post punk is supposed to sound like anymore. My mind may have calculated progression with the sound I guess. Anyway, here are some more that some of you might have problems with. That was a joke.






Alfred 09-23-2015 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 1637205)
Viet Cong - "Continental Shelf" (Viet Cong, 2015)
This song still makes me melt, it's like everything I want music to be. Same for "Silhouettes" really.

This band is great. I saw them this summer at Wayhome festival and "Death" conjured up one of the best mosh pits I've ever been in.

Goofle 09-24-2015 01:23 AM

They are changing their name soon.

sidewinder 09-24-2015 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1637278)
They are changing their name soon.

I respect their decision, though I still have mixed feelings. Ultimately the music is what matters, like they said, but I still hope they pick a good name. Fucking internets, this wouldn't be happening if people didn't always have to share their opinions about everything.

sidewinder 09-24-2015 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1637224)
Maybe I just don't know what the f*ck post punk is supposed to sound like anymore. My mind may have calculated progression with the sound I guess. Anyway, here are some more that some of you might have problems with. That was a joke.

I like these. But Baston and Straight Arrows are garage rock (even garage pop), Royal Headache more like garage punk and power pop.

I think I'll check out more from those bands. I already had Royal Headache in my queue but hadn't heard that song.

Justthefacts 09-24-2015 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1637278)
They are changing their name soon.

Yet Anal Cunt, Fucked Up, even fucking New Order don't get haggled like Viet Cong. That goes without saying they're pussies for changing it.

Frownland 09-24-2015 07:19 PM

I hope they change it to 'Viet Cong Killed Your Grandpappy, You Whiny Bitches'.

Exo 09-25-2015 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 1637385)
I like these. But Baston and Straight Arrows are garage rock (even garage pop), Royal Headache more like garage punk and power pop.

I think I'll check out more from those bands. I already had Royal Headache in my queue but hadn't heard that song.

I quit.

Justthefacts 09-25-2015 03:59 PM

http://img.youtube.com/vi/SRuBLzSPHXM/0.jpg

Still have the new Protomartyr record to look forward too

Toe 09-26-2015 02:06 AM

I used to Jam with Matt Flegels (viet cong singer/bassist) younger brother. Most of the family seemed very musical. Also Women (which consisted of a lot of current Viet Cong members) was really influential on my local scene. Any Women fans here?

I recently made a little post punk instrumental you guys may like not sure if it is okay to post it here. Highly inspired by the XL Capris a some what forgotten Aussie post punk band.


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