The Sex Pistols

Icaticus · 06-28-2009, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by asshat

I'd say the ramones were the first punk band, hands down.

The stooges came close but they had too much garage rock and blues left in their sound-the same goes for the garage bands.

The talking heads just suck.

Well... the Ramones are from 1974 so no they were not the first but the most prolific and the most influential, yes.

There was Co * ck (it keeps hiding the word but thats the name!) Sparrer that came out in 1974 and is still around to this day. And take the Pink Fairies for example, 1970 and they performed many songs that were punk and later were even labeled as proto-punk and punk rock. Listen to City Kids for an example. Even though they have a solo in it that is less "punk" the rest of the song is very simplistic "street music".

Astronomer · 06-28-2009, 03:12 AM

http://www.musicbanter.com/punk/1269...on-thread.html

sleepy jack · 06-28-2009, 03:27 AM

I've never really met anyone who claims the Sex Pistols invented punk...especially someone who I'd consider knowledgeable.

right-track · 06-28-2009, 03:32 AM

Not this again!

As far as I'm concerned punk started with the Pistols. All earlier claims were made retrospectively.

sleepy jack · 06-28-2009, 03:46 AM

As a movement or genre?

right-track · 06-28-2009, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

As a movement or genre?

Public consciousness.

asshat · 06-28-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Icaticus

Well... the Ramones are from 1974 so no they were not the first but the most prolific and the most influential, yes.

There was Co * ck (it keeps hiding the word but thats the name!) Sparrer that came out in 1974 and is still around to this day. And take the Pink Fairies for example, 1970 and they performed many songs that were punk and later were even labeled as proto-punk and punk rock. Listen to City Kids for an example. Even though they have a solo in it that is less "punk" the rest of the song is very simplistic "street music".

The Ramones were the first textbook example of punk rock. A lot of bands who influenced them came really close, but they were the first. The ramones weren't ever classified as proto-punk....and even if I asked my grandma what music they play she'd say it's punk rock.

right-track · 06-28-2009, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by asshat

The Ramones were the first textbook example of punk rock. A lot of bands who influenced them came really close, but they were the first. The ramones weren't ever classified as proto-punk....and even if I asked my grandma what music they play she'd say it's punk rock.

If it wasn't for the Pistols they wouldn't have been classed as punk rock at all.

asshat · 06-28-2009, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by right-track

If it wasn't for the Pistols they wouldn't have been classed as punk rock at all.

...maybe, but as far as the music goes I'd say the ramones.

I see it like this...probably the most generic and obvious rock and roll riff is "johnny b. goode", where a lot of people don't even think of it as chuck berry but just a generic rock and roll riff. If you were asked to play the most generic punk song possible it would probably based on some ramones song. I'm not saying either are generic but they pretty much set the template.

right-track · 06-28-2009, 04:18 AM

I'm going off memeory and how the whole thing developed. It was only later that the who did what and when claims were made.

@ethan: I agree with your deleted post.

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right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	Not this again! As far as I'm concerned punk started with the Pistols. All earlier claims were made retrospectively.

06-28-2009, 04:18 AM	#210 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	I'm going off memeory and how the whole thing developed. It was only later that the who did what and when claims were made. @ethan: I agree with your deleted post.