Punk Rock is Bullsh*t (article/essay)

Unknown Soldier · 07-10-2013, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Rez

Iggy Pop/Stooges

Highly influential but not punk. Try garage rock meets psychedelic rock as a better description for the band.

Dr_Rez · 07-10-2013, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Highly influential but not punk. Try garage rock meets psychedelic rock as a better description for the band.

Lol completely disagree. Thats not punk? How?

Unknown Soldier · 07-10-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Rez

Lol completely disagree. Thats not punk? How?

I never said they didn't do punk songs, just that they were a garage rock/psychedelic rock band.

Dr_Rez · 07-10-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I never said they didn't do punk songs, just that they were a garage rock/psychedelic rock band.

I think most people consider them the epitome of a punk rock band. Iggy Pop is like the frontman for punk music even today.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-10-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Rez

I think most people consider them the epitome of a punk rock band. Iggy Pop is like the frontman for punk music even today.

I don't know too many punk bands that did 7 minute long blues jams

Unknown Soldier · 07-10-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Rez

I think most people consider them the epitome of a punk rock band. Iggy Pop is like the frontman for punk music even today.

They do because there was a punk movement formed in the 1976 and 1977 that referenced them along with a number of other bands, as being a huge influence on punk.

It's like saying thrash metal started with Black Sabbath, because they played some fast and aggressive songs some 10 years before the thrash movement emerged in the early 1980s.

Nurse Duckett · 07-10-2013, 01:47 PM

I have a theory on what the problem might be, I could be wrong but lets give it a go.

My opinion on when punk started seems to be similar to Unknown Soldier and Urban Hatemongers opinion on this subject, and I think I'm right in saying we're all Limeys. The people who don't seem to agree with us appear to be American, I could be wrong, I don't know who anyone is in here. I have noticed over the last couple of decades that America seems to be obsessed with genres, you often see/hear Americans ask what genre are they, and that's a comment you very very rarely hear in Britain, unless you're talking to someone particularly young, under 18. I don't think us Limeys are anywhere near as genre obsessed as the Americans are. Every band or artist seems to have to be put into a specific genre in America, I'm pretty sure its a marketing thing, but with that in mind its kind of understandable that the media powers that be over there would be more than happy to class bands as punk just because it makes them easier to market. Someone told me years ago that Green Day were a punk band, I still haven't stopped laughing, but Green day are classed as a punk band in America.

For a Brit to understand the American view point on this subject the Brit would have to think in genres. The American understanding the Brit would have to forget all about genres.

I'm probably wrong, I usually am.

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 07-10-2013, 04:15 PM

Forget it, Rez. These people are all over the place saying every contradicting thing there is until they don't even know what they're saying anymore. I certainly don't know what they are saying. I saw the Stooges perform many times starting in 1973, when people moshed in front of the stage, when Iggy flipped off the crowd and they flipped back, when he cursed at the crowd between songs and dared them to throw more s-hit at them yelling, "I got your money so f-uck you!" When he jumped shirtless into the crowd and people dragged him around and pounded on him like the side of beef in "Rocky" while the band played on and he whipped it out an urinated at them and then crawled back up onstage bloodied and yelled, "And your girlfriends still want to blow me, you f-ucks!" And they launched right into their next song. My first Iggy show 1973.

Psychedelic, my ass.

Unknown Soldier · 07-10-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

Forget it, Rez. These people are all over the place saying every contradicting thing there is until they don't even know what they're saying anymore. I certainly don't know what they are saying. I saw the Stooges perform many times starting in 1973, when people moshed in front of the stage, when Iggy flipped off the crowd and they flipped back, when he cursed at the crowd between songs and dared them to throw more s-hit at them yelling, "I got your money so f-uck you!" When he jumped shirtless into the crowd and people dragged him around and pounded on him like the side of beef in "Rocky" while the band played on and he whipped it out an urinated at them and then crawled back up onstage bloodied and yelled, "And your girlfriends still want to blow me, you f-ucks!" And they launched right into their next song. My first Iggy show 1973.

Psychedelic, my ass.

This is all good and well and some good nostalgia, but bad behaviour wasn't the sole domain of punk bands. Also Jim Morrison was doing this stuff before Iggy Pop anyway.

Newkie · 07-10-2013, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurse Duckett

I have a theory on what the problem might be, I could be wrong but lets give it a go.

My opinion on when punk started seems to be similar to Unknown Soldier and Urban Hatemongers opinion on this subject, and I think I'm right in saying we're all Limeys. The people who don't seem to agree with us appear to be American, I could be wrong, I don't know who anyone is in here. I have noticed over the last couple of decades that America seems to be obsessed with genres...

To be honest, isn't it probably just as simple as that? Nationality and what people grew up in/with or were influenced by after the movement? My sister was about 11 in 78 and is vehement Punk is a British invention. I tend to think the culture and style and movement really developed over here, but given I wasn't around/don't pay all that much attention to genre history, I'm only going on opinion. The Ramones, while I don't care for them, were playing punk before Lydon joined the pistols so I can understand any argument for them being the first punk band. But as others have said, I don't think their influence was anywhere near that of the Pistols and asides from them I don't think there was too much going on in New York at the time. An American from that time or who knows that time (a lot better) will probably disagree with that. In either case I really don't see how it can go back before 74/75 though.

07-10-2013, 01:47 PM	#87 (permalink)
Nurse Duckett Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 148	I have a theory on what the problem might be, I could be wrong but lets give it a go. My opinion on when punk started seems to be similar to Unknown Soldier and Urban Hatemongers opinion on this subject, and I think I'm right in saying we're all Limeys. The people who don't seem to agree with us appear to be American, I could be wrong, I don't know who anyone is in here. I have noticed over the last couple of decades that America seems to be obsessed with genres, you often see/hear Americans ask what genre are they, and that's a comment you very very rarely hear in Britain, unless you're talking to someone particularly young, under 18. I don't think us Limeys are anywhere near as genre obsessed as the Americans are. Every band or artist seems to have to be put into a specific genre in America, I'm pretty sure its a marketing thing, but with that in mind its kind of understandable that the media powers that be over there would be more than happy to class bands as punk just because it makes them easier to market. Someone told me years ago that Green Day were a punk band, I still haven't stopped laughing, but Green day are classed as a punk band in America. For a Brit to understand the American view point on this subject the Brit would have to think in genres. The American understanding the Brit would have to forget all about genres. I'm probably wrong, I usually am.

07-10-2013, 04:15 PM	#88 (permalink)
~~Lord Larehip~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 899	Forget it, Rez. These people are all over the place saying every contradicting thing there is until they don't even know what they're saying anymore. I certainly don't know what they are saying. I saw the Stooges perform many times starting in 1973, when people moshed in front of the stage, when Iggy flipped off the crowd and they flipped back, when he cursed at the crowd between songs and dared them to throw more s-hit at them yelling, "I got your money so f-uck you!" When he jumped shirtless into the crowd and people dragged him around and pounded on him like the side of beef in "Rocky" while the band played on and he whipped it out an urinated at them and then crawled back up onstage bloodied and yelled, "And your girlfriends still want to blow me, you f-ucks!" And they launched right into their next song. My first Iggy show 1973. Psychedelic, my ass.