Lord Larehip

Punk was born in Detroit in the late 60s primarily with the Stooges and the MC5. Why do Brits always think they invented everything?

Nurse Duckett

I'm not sure if your comment was directed at me, but if it was can I suggest you try reading the first sentence of my post.

Urban Hat€monger ?

Because we did, punk rock started in London in 1976, no if's or but's.

The Stooges were not a punk band and neither were the MC5, did they influence the punk movement? Yes they did, but they were not a part of it, otherwise you could list any band with a slightly angsty or nihilistic tone and call them a punk band, only they're not because all you are doing is retroactively applying a label to something before it existed.

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Lord Larehip

Here's MC5 doing "I Want You Right Now" from 1969:


MC5 - I Want You Right Now - YouTube

Here's an Italian hardcore band from the 80s with their song "Politicians". Tell me if you notice any similarities:


Raw power - Politicians - YouTube

That Italian band is, of course, Raw Power but I'm sure that's just a coincidence that has nothing to do with the Stooges. And MC5 were also avowed anarchists.

Why--and what's the song the Sex Pistols are playing?


The Sex Pistols - No Fun - Winterland S.F. 78 - YouTube

The only thing you Brits were ever good at was ripping off America for all your musical ideas and then taking the credit for it.

Urban Hat€monger ?

That's a rebuttal?

You just proved my point, you're just calling anything with loud guitars & nihilistic lyrics punk rock.

The punk 'sound' evolved and wasn't created. The name, the look, the commercial birth of it happened in London in 1976 and no amount of you finding youtube videos of 60s bands with fuzzy guitars and lyrics about how much they hate something will change it.

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Nurse Duckett

I'm not sure Brits ripped off American music and took all the credit, I think you're being unfair there. Brit bands were heavily influenced by black American music, the music that racist white America had forgotten about. I think I'm right in saying the black artists were very grateful for it too, it meant they could make music again and get paid for it instead of sweeping studio floors.

I think some white Americans take far too much credit for Americas musical heritage, white America didn't really do alot to add to that heritage did it, it was black American music that Britain and the rest of the world loved.

Without black American music there would have been no Beatles, Stones or Led Zeppelin ( all three of those bands are better than any white American band that was ever formed ). Not one of those bands have ever denied how much they were influenced by black American music.


Whilst White America was busy hanging black people from trees and worrying about who can drink from what water fountain, and who's allowed in which restaurant the Brits were busy being influenced by black America and its fantastic music, and we still are. Thats why Brit bands from that era were superior to their white American counterparts. Simple when you think about it isn't it.

Most white American music is still terrible to this day, always has been, probably always will be.

Lord Larehip

Yeah, that's a rebuttal. The Velvet Underground, the New York Dolls, the Ramones, Richard Hell and Voidoids--all American bands playing punk before the British ever heard of it.

In case you didn't know, Malcolm McLaren credits Richard Hell with giving him the idea for how to clothe the Sex Pistols.

Just face it, you Brits didn't invent s-hit.

Except prog rock--I'll give you that one.

Dr_Rez

That is such an absurd claim to make. Their are SO many debatable example of albums before that, that are considered punk albums by many. According to you literately every album before some arbitrary date in 76 was Protopunk or just something else?

Punk Rock: rock music with deliberately offensive lyrics expressing anger and social alienation; in part a reaction against progressive rock.

I mean just take one album which was huge Raw power. The title track alone couldnt sound much more like a straight punk track.

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Necromancer

Regardless of where punk rock originated, it was launched via New York City.

Lord Larehip

The Brits were superior musically because Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran, Bill Haley and Jerry Lee Lewis all went to Britain. It certainly wasn't mistreatment of blacks because without it there never would have been blues. Blues was born from that suffering. It's because American girls wanted to listen to a bunch of pantywaists like Fabian and Frankie Avalon and guy then tried to imitate to get the girls. The hardcore rockers fell by the wayside and had to go to Britain who still had the good sense to take them in and come and see them play while America, with its most innovator rockers gone, sank into bulls-hit mediocrity.

And another country that should get way more credit than it has is Germany. Germany produced some great innovative talent in the early 70s from Kraftwerk/Organisation to Can to Neu to Tangerine Dream to Amon Duul.

By the mid to late 60s, America was producing excellent bands and, yes, we invented metal not Black Sabbath. Sabbath may have been the first truly metal band but not at all the first band to do metal.

Remember Bubble Puppy from 1969?


BUBBLE PUPPY - HOT SMOKE & SASAFRASS - YouTube

And while the state of American music today is a disgrace, Britain is no better off. I was in London about 2 years ago and all I heard was the same crap they play in America all the time.

My best time in Britain was in the 80s while I was in the service. We went to London, met some British sailors in a pub, left with them to hit a club, stepped outside and they started beating the s-hit out of us. I managed to get one guy in a headlock and pounded his eye until it looked like some f-ucked up alien was trying to pop out of his face. Then they tell us it was a test to see if could stand up for ourselves. I get a split lip for that?? I got blood running all down my shirt because my lip won't stop bleeding. Then we caught this double-decker or something and one guy has a guitar and they explained that they were their ship's band so I demanded they play something partly to hear them and partly to calm the bus down because these guys were SO f-ucking obnoxious that we were about to get tossed off into the street with the bus still moving.

So the guy breaks out his guitar and they start singing "If I Fell". These guys a drunk off their asses and it was BEAUTIFUL!! They sounded exactly like the Beatles and in 4-part harmony no less. People then started to loosen up. Some people clapped and wanted to hear more. One of my buddies started bragging what a great guitar player I was (which I'm not) but they shoved the guitar into my arms so I played "I'm Happy Just to Dance With You" which really made them happy. It was great because I didn't have to sing. They did all the singing. Then I played "Tell Her No" "Bell-Bottom Blues" and "Love Grows Where My Rosemary Goes" all British stuff. After that, I could do no wrong. I was the god of music from America. We get to this club and I spend the whole time outside with the guitar player showing him these songs because he begged me to teach him.

Britain was a lot more fun back then.