Punk rock music is a tool of Communists to spread their message

jstrodel · 02-26-2013, 04:59 PM

Search for this on google if you want to read a more in depth article about the connection between Communism and punk rock:
Are_the_Kids_United_The_Communist_Party_of_Great_B ritain_Rock_Against_Racism_and_the_Politics_of_You th_Culture

Hello, my name is Joseph. I am a former punk rock enthusiast. I have been into such bands as the Dead Kennedy's, Propagandhi, Minor threat and various other bands. I have noticed that many bands have a political message. I used to hear the bands and enjoy the political message. I used to be politically very far to the left, an anarchist or a socialist or something like that. Of course, it was from listening to all of that music. But, as I have gotten older (I am 27 now), I see that the left wing politics in punk rock was tied to Marxism, something I never really was deeply involved in. Even the music that claims to be "anarchist" is actually really deeply authoritarian and deeply influenced by Marxism. Such is the nature of left wing politics, you never really know if the people who would seem to be most opposed to authoritarian communism actually are, in fact, Communists.

When I read this link, I noticed that the Communist party itself was involved in the production of punk rock music. This made me angry. I am now a born again Christian, I have seen miracles and the reality of God. I used to consider peoples political beliefs a private matter of great significance, and it virtuous to consider others political predicaments. I still believe this, but I see a darker force at work, where the Communists are using music to try and lead young people away from the church and into their movement. They don't seem to care that many people in the punk subculture die of drug overdoses, I personally have suffered greatly as a result of my drug use.

I would like you all to consider the role that you may encourage others to follow a ideology of Marxism (such as that promoted by the band The Clash) that, in fact, has little to do with loving others or helping the poor but actually has everything to do with advancing an authoritarian and nihilistic philosophy.

I understand that most of you will not consciously support the policies of Stalin or Mao or any other Communist nation. Most of the left today is very critical of these regimes. I would like you to consider that perhaps they do this because it is necessary to build their movement. Marxism has never resulted in a Democratic country, Marxism has always led to authoritarianism.

I do not think that you can be a punk and be a Marxist. Punk is about challenging false authorities and overcoming injustice. Marxism is about doctrinaire and authoritarian ideologies that suppress truth and use violence to force people to believe lies. I do not see how any of this can be considered remotely consistent with the punk spirit.

I see the place that I am now, as a Christian committed to social justice to be a far more consistent position with the original punk rock ethos that I once had. I would urge you to consider whether your de facto acceptance of Communism is in fact consistent with your commitment to DIY, free speech, resistance to tyranny, hatred to racism and injustice, etc. I do not think it could possibly be made so.

**Janszoon** · 02-26-2013, 05:08 PM

Nice manifesto.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 02-26-2013, 05:16 PM

THIS IS THE GREATEST POST IN MUSICBANTER HISTORY

yES

Burning Down · 02-26-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Nice manifesto.

Commie. GTFO of here.

FRED HALE SR. · 02-26-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermione

THIS IS THE GREATEST POST IN MUSICBANTER HISTORY

yES

Steve Ignorant has been drinking again.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 02-26-2013, 05:39 PM

Steve Ignorant would never

Crass 4ever

LoathsomePete · 02-26-2013, 05:43 PM

tl;dr

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-26-2013, 05:48 PM

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jstrodel · 02-26-2013, 05:52 PM

You guys don't care at all if the music you like is promoting a Communist ideology? Don't you feel like you are in same way neglecting your responsibilities to those around you? 1/5th of the people in the world are under Communism. Does being indifferent to their suffering make you a better person?

If a simple sarcastic response will suffice to convince you of your own worth, perhaps there is something going on that is even worst than Communism.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-26-2013, 05:53 PM

Communism died in the 80s mate, nobody cares.

02-26-2013, 04:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
jstrodel Groupie Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 4	Punk rock music is a tool of Communists to spread their message Search for this on google if you want to read a more in depth article about the connection between Communism and punk rock: Are_the_Kids_United_The_Communist_Party_of_Great_B ritain_Rock_Against_Racism_and_the_Politics_of_You th_Culture Hello, my name is Joseph. I am a former punk rock enthusiast. I have been into such bands as the Dead Kennedy's, Propagandhi, Minor threat and various other bands. I have noticed that many bands have a political message. I used to hear the bands and enjoy the political message. I used to be politically very far to the left, an anarchist or a socialist or something like that. Of course, it was from listening to all of that music. But, as I have gotten older (I am 27 now), I see that the left wing politics in punk rock was tied to Marxism, something I never really was deeply involved in. Even the music that claims to be "anarchist" is actually really deeply authoritarian and deeply influenced by Marxism. Such is the nature of left wing politics, you never really know if the people who would seem to be most opposed to authoritarian communism actually are, in fact, Communists. When I read this link, I noticed that the Communist party itself was involved in the production of punk rock music. This made me angry. I am now a born again Christian, I have seen miracles and the reality of God. I used to consider peoples political beliefs a private matter of great significance, and it virtuous to consider others political predicaments. I still believe this, but I see a darker force at work, where the Communists are using music to try and lead young people away from the church and into their movement. They don't seem to care that many people in the punk subculture die of drug overdoses, I personally have suffered greatly as a result of my drug use. I would like you all to consider the role that you may encourage others to follow a ideology of Marxism (such as that promoted by the band The Clash) that, in fact, has little to do with loving others or helping the poor but actually has everything to do with advancing an authoritarian and nihilistic philosophy. I understand that most of you will not consciously support the policies of Stalin or Mao or any other Communist nation. Most of the left today is very critical of these regimes. I would like you to consider that perhaps they do this because it is necessary to build their movement. Marxism has never resulted in a Democratic country, Marxism has always led to authoritarianism. I do not think that you can be a punk and be a Marxist. Punk is about challenging false authorities and overcoming injustice. Marxism is about doctrinaire and authoritarian ideologies that suppress truth and use violence to force people to believe lies. I do not see how any of this can be considered remotely consistent with the punk spirit. I see the place that I am now, as a Christian committed to social justice to be a far more consistent position with the original punk rock ethos that I once had. I would urge you to consider whether your de facto acceptance of Communism is in fact consistent with your commitment to DIY, free speech, resistance to tyranny, hatred to racism and injustice, etc. I do not think it could possibly be made so.

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Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Communism died in the 80s mate, nobody cares. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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02-26-2013, 05:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
jstrodel Groupie Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 4	You guys don't care at all if the music you like is promoting a Communist ideology? Don't you feel like you are in same way neglecting your responsibilities to those around you? 1/5th of the people in the world are under Communism. Does being indifferent to their suffering make you a better person? If a simple sarcastic response will suffice to convince you of your own worth, perhaps there is something going on that is even worst than Communism.