Punk rock music is a tool of Communists to spread their message
 

Search for this on google if you want to read a more in depth article about the connection between Communism and punk rock:
Are_the_Kids_United_The_Communist_Party_of_Great_B ritain_Rock_Against_Racism_and_the_Politics_of_You th_Culture

Hello, my name is Joseph. I am a former punk rock enthusiast. I have been into such bands as the Dead Kennedy's, Propagandhi, Minor threat and various other bands. I have noticed that many bands have a political message. I used to hear the bands and enjoy the political message. I used to be politically very far to the left, an anarchist or a socialist or something like that. Of course, it was from listening to all of that music. But, as I have gotten older (I am 27 now), I see that the left wing politics in punk rock was tied to Marxism, something I never really was deeply involved in. Even the music that claims to be "anarchist" is actually really deeply authoritarian and deeply influenced by Marxism. Such is the nature of left wing politics, you never really know if the people who would seem to be most opposed to authoritarian communism actually are, in fact, Communists.

When I read this link, I noticed that the Communist party itself was involved in the production of punk rock music. This made me angry. I am now a born again Christian, I have seen miracles and the reality of God. I used to consider peoples political beliefs a private matter of great significance, and it virtuous to consider others political predicaments. I still believe this, but I see a darker force at work, where the Communists are using music to try and lead young people away from the church and into their movement. They don't seem to care that many people in the punk subculture die of drug overdoses, I personally have suffered greatly as a result of my drug use.

I would like you all to consider the role that you may encourage others to follow a ideology of Marxism (such as that promoted by the band The Clash) that, in fact, has little to do with loving others or helping the poor but actually has everything to do with advancing an authoritarian and nihilistic philosophy.

I understand that most of you will not consciously support the policies of Stalin or Mao or any other Communist nation. Most of the left today is very critical of these regimes. I would like you to consider that perhaps they do this because it is necessary to build their movement. Marxism has never resulted in a Democratic country, Marxism has always led to authoritarianism.

I do not think that you can be a punk and be a Marxist. Punk is about challenging false authorities and overcoming injustice. Marxism is about doctrinaire and authoritarian ideologies that suppress truth and use violence to force people to believe lies. I do not see how any of this can be considered remotely consistent with the punk spirit.

I see the place that I am now, as a Christian committed to social justice to be a far more consistent position with the original punk rock ethos that I once had. I would urge you to consider whether your de facto acceptance of Communism is in fact consistent with your commitment to DIY, free speech, resistance to tyranny, hatred to racism and injustice, etc. I do not think it could possibly be made so.

Nice manifesto.

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yES

Commie. GTFO of here.

Steve Ignorant has been drinking again.

Steve Ignorant would never

Crass 4ever

tl;dr

You know I like that Ramones song that goes

duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duuuuuhhhhhh duh duhhhhh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duuuuuuh duh duuuuuuuuuh.

You guys don't care at all if the music you like is promoting a Communist ideology? Don't you feel like you are in same way neglecting your responsibilities to those around you? 1/5th of the people in the world are under Communism. Does being indifferent to their suffering make you a better person?

If a simple sarcastic response will suffice to convince you of your own worth, perhaps there is something going on that is even worst than Communism.

Communism died in the 80s mate, nobody cares.

Did you read what I wrote? 1/5th of the world is still under Communism. Go to China and try and start a punk rock club. See how far you get.

"No one cares" - that settles it then. No one cares. So there you have it.

Try starting a punk rock band in Saudi Arabia and see how far that gets you.
That country is about as far away from communist as you can get.

It's nothing to do with the ideology. Virtually all one party states operate that way.

China's Newest Export: Punk Rock : NPR

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I'm afraid of The New Seekers.

Their manifesto wants compulsory singing around the world, and they have a global conglomerate backing them.

They scare me more.

Look at this:

Human rights in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A legalistic definition will really help millions who are chained under Communism. Maybe that punk rock is allowed only because it is similar to the Trotskyist punk rock that was around in Britain (see link I posted).


Unfortunately, if you want to mention democracy, that won't fly.



Although the 1982 constitution guarantees freedom of speech,[15] the Chinese government often uses the subversion of state power and the protection of state secret clauses in their law system to imprison those who are critical of the government.[16] The government is also heavily involved in censoring news through the Propaganda Department of the Communist Party of China, even though no publically known state law explicitly authorises it or any other department of the PRC's government to engage in such activities.

The government promised to issue permits authorising people to protest in specifically designated 'protest parks' during the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing,[17] but a majority of the applications were withdrawn, suspended, or vetoed,[18] and the police detained some of the people who applied.[19] References to certain controversial events and political movements as well as access to web pages considered by the PRC authorities to be 'dangerous' or 'threatening to state security' happen to be blocked on the internet in PRC-controlled China and content disputed by or critical of PRC authorities is absent from many publications, subject to the CPC's control within mainland China .[20] Laws in the People's Republic of China forbid the advocacy of seperation of any part of its claimed territory from PRC-controlled Mainland China, as well as public challenge to the CPC's authoritarian domination of the government of China. An unsanctioned protest during the Olympics by seven foreign activists at the China Nationalities Museum, protesting for a Free Tibet and blocking the entrance, was cleared[21] and the protesters deported.[22]

Foreign internet search engines including Microsoft Bing!, Yahoo!, Google Search China[23] have come under criticism for aiding in these practices, including banning the word "democracy" from its chat rooms in China. Yahoo! in particular, stated that it will not protect the privacy and confidentiality of its Chinese customers from the authorities.[24] In 2005 reporter Shi Tao was sentenced to imprisonment for 10 years for releasing an internal Communist Party document to an overseas Chinese democracy site after Yahoo! China provided his personal emails and IP addresses to the Chinese government.[25] Skype president Josh Silverman said it was "common knowledge" that TOM had "established procedures to... block instant messages containing certain words deemed offensive by the Chinese authorities."[26]

You sound like a racist

punk is ****ing dead

There needs to be an emoticon for "snorts derisively at the original post."

Are you saying you wouldn't get far because it's a totalitarian state? Or are you saying you would get far because punk is a tool of communism?

You appear to be suffering from another effect of drug overdosing currently, speaking some dumb sh*t.

Don't stop posting tho! This is free entertainment :rofl:

Hello Joseph and welcome to MB.

I don't care for politics in music. If it's there I try to ignore it. But anyway look on the bright side though Johnny Ramone was a Conservative.

I'm almost certain that this is a troll thread.

As is Lee Ving and Jerry A.

But of course, if it's on the internet it has to be true.

Well that means 4/5ths are not under communism... I'm not even into punk music so I guess I'm okay in your books.

Our secrets are known! 死神来了西部!!

I mean, death to the West!

Lee Ving is a ****ing conservative?

Ew, I'm not here for that. Punk rock and conservatism are two things that should never be put together.

Joe Escalante, Michael Graves, Bobby Steele, Dave Smalley and Barry Donegan also.

Don't nobody give a **** about Michale Graves tho, Danzig-less Misfits is garbage.

I've met people that actually think Graves is a better vocalist then Danzig. I haven't heard much less Famous Monsters which was ok. I'm not much of a fan of The Misfits so the vocalist change never bothered me.

Really? I think Static Age is a great album, and Danzig is a great vocalist, even though he's a giant douchebag

I guess i meant of the Graves records i've heard Famous. I've heard all the Danzig records my friends love the Misfits. I just never really got into them. I don't think their bad.

Well, there are a few stories of homophobia/racism in punk, as well as the whole "fuck the government" stance which is closer to libertarian than liberal. But I think that may be outdated.

I didn't really want to entertain this guy when he came on, first because he doesn't know what he's talking about, and second because he's obviously a true believer of some sort.

What may have seen like a big revelation for him, discovering that a lot of punk bands are on the far left, for the rest of was probably a big no **** sherlock!

As for his argument, Marxism and Anarchism are not tied together. Anyone who has read history knows that Mikhail bakunin (the world's most notable anarchist) & Karl Marx hated each other, largely because of their disagreement on the role of the state, in which Bakunin wanted none.

Despite the Clash's left leaning principles, the vast majority of hardcore punk bands on the left are rooted in anarchism, an equally fruity ideology in my opinion, but I must also concede that I've seen a lot of good stuff come out of practicing anarchists. Communal housing, animal rights activism & general good bleeding heart liberal causes. So it is not all bad.

If he knew anything about hardcore or punk he would know that there were a lot of right wing punk ideals in a lot of punk bands as well. In fact the whole New York hardocore scene from Agnostic Front, the Cro Mags down, had a whole whack of conservative ideals floating around in their heads.

Provided it doesn't promote hate, diversity of views is a good thing not a bad thing,
which is why I can't stand anarcho punks who denounce bands like Agnostic Front or the Exploited because they don't fit their particular mold of what punk rock should be in their eyes.

To me that is tolitarainism thinking, Marxism if you would like me to give this guy some credit, but ironically he's doing the exact same thing by telling you that you shouldn't listen to punk because of its political views. So who's the real totalitarian here???

Anyways there is my rant, this post had been bugging me lol :)

Everything boils down to what you take away from music. Personally I have never sat and listened to punk rock and went "you know what, lets kill the presidant and move to mother russia" Posts like this rank up there with me sitting here and telling you guys hey, dont listen to bands that promote christianity or else you might go to heaven. Music gives its listener what they take from it, most of us dont really wind up having a political belief because we listen to the clash. I certainly dont feel like going to church just because I have Mark Shultz on my playlist nor do I feel like going out and killing and raping the neighborhood children because I listen to Cradle of Filth....

Yeah, who needs punk for that?

In mother Russia president kills YOU!

Russia, come for the communism
stay for the dildo swords

:rofl:

To start with, being a communist doesn't mean being Stalin. Ever heard of Rosa Luxemburg's beliefs? Socialism is nothing without freedom. Freedom of speech, of press. That's not stalinism, is it.

The second thing - The Clash was pretty far from nihilism. They were never like the Pistols, shouting No future and all that. Joe declared himself to believe in socialism. Didn't like the authorities then, though. He loved people and believed in them. "Without people you're nothing", remember? Check out the Strummerville foundation.