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Scarlett O'Hara 03-27-2013 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1300817)
I got a weak back.

When did that happen?

'Bout a week back.

*facepalm*

Neapolitan 03-27-2013 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1300817)
I got a weak back.

When did that happen?

'Bout a week back.

You have now officially turned into Music Banter's crazy uncle.

Black Francis 03-27-2013 09:48 PM

That OP is misleading as hell

okay, let's say YOU ARE RIGHT and all punk bands have a hidden agenda

What's the big deal about that?
ppl can support wthvr idealogy they like plus the main thing punk advertises is Anarchy not communism

which ultimately is just a rebellion phase for most punks they don't really want anarchy they just want to defy authority for wthvr personal reason

you yourself are an example of that
im sure when you were a punk you justified your punk ways and thought you were "Right" at the time
Now you're a born again christian and you're doing the same thing all over again

there's no humility or self doubt in your words
you're passing this sh*t as the truth when it's just some crazy commie theory


Freebase Dali 03-27-2013 09:56 PM

What I find funny is this:

"f*ck the government!"

Followed by:

"f*ck conservative values that advocate for less governmental control and interference!"

So it really ends up as:

"f*ck me!"

Success.

Janszoon 03-28-2013 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1301374)
What I find funny is this:

"f*ck the government!"

Followed by:

"f*ck conservative values that advocate for less governmental control and interference!"

So it really ends up as:

"f*ck me!"

Success.

That would be funny... if modern conservative values did favor a smaller role of government in actual practice instead of just in the rhetoric.

The Batlord 03-28-2013 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1300817)
I got a weak back.

When did that happen?

'Bout a week back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankcom_10 (Post 1301145)
My brain.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1301153)

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1301270)
*facepalm*

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1301334)
You have now officially turned into Music Banter's crazy uncle.

Some people just don't understand subtle, intelligent humor. Besides, the trick is to find someone at work to do that with and keep doing it until everyone at work can't help themselves and are all saying it. Then it's just so retarded that you can't help but laugh.

BastardofYoung 03-28-2013 11:59 AM

Oh, I understood it... still calls for a sad trombone though.

Unknown Soldier 03-28-2013 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jstrodel (Post 1290616)
Search for this on google if you want to read a more in depth article about the connection between Communism and punk rock:
Are_the_Kids_United_The_Communist_Party_of_Great_B ritain_Rock_Against_Racism_and_the_Politics_of_You th_Culture

Hello, my name is Joseph. I am a former punk rock enthusiast. I have been into such bands as the Dead Kennedy's, Propagandhi, Minor threat and various other bands. I have noticed that many bands have a political message. I used to hear the bands and enjoy the political message. I used to be politically very far to the left, an anarchist or a socialist or something like that. Of course, it was from listening to all of that music. But, as I have gotten older (I am 27 now), I see that the left wing politics in punk rock was tied to Marxism, something I never really was deeply involved in. Even the music that claims to be "anarchist" is actually really deeply authoritarian and deeply influenced by Marxism. Such is the nature of left wing politics, you never really know if the people who would seem to be most opposed to authoritarian communism actually are, in fact, Communists.

When I read this link, I noticed that the Communist party itself was involved in the production of punk rock music. This made me angry. I am now a born again Christian, I have seen miracles and the reality of God. I used to consider peoples political beliefs a private matter of great significance, and it virtuous to consider others political predicaments. I still believe this, but I see a darker force at work, where the Communists are using music to try and lead young people away from the church and into their movement. They don't seem to care that many people in the punk subculture die of drug overdoses, I personally have suffered greatly as a result of my drug use.

I would like you all to consider the role that you may encourage others to follow a ideology of Marxism (such as that promoted by the band The Clash) that, in fact, has little to do with loving others or helping the poor but actually has everything to do with advancing an authoritarian and nihilistic philosophy.

I understand that most of you will not consciously support the policies of Stalin or Mao or any other Communist nation. Most of the left today is very critical of these regimes. I would like you to consider that perhaps they do this because it is necessary to build their movement. Marxism has never resulted in a Democratic country, Marxism has always led to authoritarianism.

I do not think that you can be a punk and be a Marxist. Punk is about challenging false authorities and overcoming injustice. Marxism is about doctrinaire and authoritarian ideologies that suppress truth and use violence to force people to believe lies. I do not see how any of this can be considered remotely consistent with the punk spirit.

I see the place that I am now, as a Christian committed to social justice to be a far more consistent position with the original punk rock ethos that I once had. I would urge you to consider whether your de facto acceptance of Communism is in fact consistent with your commitment to DIY, free speech, resistance to tyranny, hatred to racism and injustice, etc. I do not think it could possibly be made so.

As far as I'm concerned, I remember that the very first punk bands in the UK such as the Sex Pistols and Sham 69 were quite right wing in style and lyrical content and for that reason the above is not that correct. But I do agree that the left may have hijacked the genre to breath some new life into it.

The Batlord 03-29-2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1301630)
As far as I'm concerned, I remember that the very first punk bands in the UK such as the Sex Pistols and Sham 69 were quite right wing in style and lyrical content and for that reason the above is not that correct.

How were the Sex Pistols right wing?

Unknown Soldier 03-29-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1301921)
How were the Sex Pistols right wing?

The use of Nazi regalia, elements of racism in their lyrics, right wingers attached themselves to the band at the time. You won't know this, but at this time in the UK the National Front (a right wing yobbo organization) were extremely popular and punks along with skinheads attached themselves to this organization.


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