Punks = Hippies + Violence??? (solo, quote, artist, songs)

~~hiu~~ · 06-01-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by All_Nite_Dinah

O yea! I forgot to mention that I imagine that an argument against my statement will be the yea-boiiii-jock-core bands as seen in videos like "The Boston Beatdown" Bands like hatebreed, earth crisis, blood for blood, agnostic front, death before dishonor, etc. etc. Well Simply put, I dont think these are punk or hardcore bands at all. All that stuff is just stupid, if someone and there "crew" were to come around where I live or into the TC scene Im pretty sure that there tales of bigotry, racism, ninja dancing, and random acts of violence there "crew" would be pretty quickly taken down and not alowed around for long. Once again I say retaliatory force, its not like there picking fights at shows or anything(yes Im aware some kids try to pull that ****) and ruin everyones fun, but most punks will retaliate if need be. I dont want to get in a fight but if your dooing something just dumb I will tell you to stop and if you pick a fight I wont be afraid to follow through. Anyway ugh, this probobly dosnt make any sense to anyone but me because im ramblling, blah blah blah blah.

Those bands make why the hardcore scene is so shit, even though I do like the odd Agnostic Front song. Everyone listen to Gorilla Biscuits.

De Selby · 06-03-2005, 06:19 PM

Over here in Ireland Punk was/is never really a violent thing,obviously like in all circles there have been violent incidents related to the word but in general it isn't.
Most punk is anti violence,things get a bit rowdy like the dancing and the rallying but it's not intentional violence.
Ireland was pretty much still in the dark ages when the whole hippy/punk and anything before that was happening so it all kinda emalgamated into one big culture boom in the early 80's.
I have to say that punk and all the political and social activism that goes with it did a lot for this country as opposed to any other cultural movement.A lot of the hippys became politicians and bankers and media moguls (money attraction) where as a lot of the punks became writers,artists and poets which had a great effect on a lot of young Irish people which encouraged and helped build a social state with a lot of freedom.
You can't take away the music from the word Punk,because thats where it all started,otherwise use the term anarchist,communist,socialist worker,Individualist and not Punk.
Skinheads should not be deemed punk,they are fascist violent thug ****s with nothing better to do.

Punk is music that holds a sense of community and revolution where the whole community are on equal par and have equal say in the revolution be you a fan or an artist.

Thats my two cents anyway.

http://www.riastradh.com

~~hiu~~ · 06-03-2005, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by De Selby

Skinheads should not be deemed punk,they are fascist violent thug ****s with nothing better to do.

Worst misconception I hear all too often.

All_Nite_Dinah · 06-03-2005, 08:07 PM

Although I agree with you Razors skinheads are usually veiwed differently throughout Europe. I've met many Germans who have the same veiw of skinheads simply because they have NEVER been exposed to anti-racist skins. Im sure that the concept of a skinhead is different in America and Ireland. While in America most skinheads are just punks who shaved there heads at the same time overseas its very possible there are much more racial implications.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-03-2005, 08:20 PM

I`ve always felt that the original punks placed more emphesis on shock value rather than actual violence.

~~hiu~~ · 06-03-2005, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by All_Nite_Dinah

Although I agree with you Razors skinheads are usually veiwed differently throughout Europe. I've met many Germans who have the same veiw of skinheads simply because they have NEVER been exposed to anti-racist skins. Im sure that the concept of a skinhead is different in America and Ireland. While in America most skinheads are just punks who shaved there heads at the same time overseas its very possible there are much more racial implications.

I agree although I can't really comment as I don't live in europe or America so I don't know any of the implications.

phoenixflames · 06-03-2005, 10:42 PM

In America, I think "skinhead" usually goes hand in hand with racisit. I don't run in any circles that bring me in contact with such people, so I can't really say whether or not its true. I just say its best to judge the individual, not the group. And make sure your judgement is on actions, not looks.

Mr.Thrifty · 06-13-2005, 01:18 PM

the way i figure, punk=bill clinton-the bj girl...

lookin out for #1

SATCHMO · 06-13-2005, 02:08 PM

I know plenty of peace lovin' punks and aggro hippies.

bunker88 · 06-15-2005, 08:21 PM

so punks are " violent hippies"? Well that's an oxymoron-now most punks are liberals and liberals are basicly hippies ( they're both on the left wing ). So, in some ways i guess that would work out but then again not all punks are the same. Now days we just come across the kids who claim to be punk one day and then claim some other trendy lable. They just want attention- not to be different. HAve you noticed how everyone has the same hair and clothing- punks are all about originality- but kids now days just don't have it.

06-03-2005, 08:07 PM	#34 (permalink)
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Mr.Thrifty Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 35	the way i figure, punk=bill clinton-the bj girl... lookin out for #1 __________________ my other sn is GentlemanJohnny

06-03-2005, 06:19 PM	#32 (permalink)
De Selby Groupie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ballina,Ireland. Posts: 4	Over here in Ireland Punk was/is never really a violent thing,obviously like in all circles there have been violent incidents related to the word but in general it isn't. Most punk is anti violence,things get a bit rowdy like the dancing and the rallying but it's not intentional violence. Ireland was pretty much still in the dark ages when the whole hippy/punk and anything before that was happening so it all kinda emalgamated into one big culture boom in the early 80's. I have to say that punk and all the political and social activism that goes with it did a lot for this country as opposed to any other cultural movement.A lot of the hippys became politicians and bankers and media moguls (money attraction) where as a lot of the punks became writers,artists and poets which had a great effect on a lot of young Irish people which encouraged and helped build a social state with a lot of freedom. You can't take away the music from the word Punk,because thats where it all started,otherwise use the term anarchist,communist,socialist worker,Individualist and not Punk. Skinheads should not be deemed punk,they are fascist violent thug ****s with nothing better to do. Punk is music that holds a sense of community and revolution where the whole community are on equal par and have equal say in the revolution be you a fan or an artist. Thats my two cents anyway. http://www.riastradh.com

06-13-2005, 02:08 PM	#39 (permalink)
SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	I know plenty of peace lovin' punks and aggro hippies.

06-15-2005, 08:21 PM	#40 (permalink)
bunker88 Groupie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mini Mexico ( souther california) Posts: 1	so punks are " violent hippies"? Well that's an oxymoron-now most punks are liberals and liberals are basicly hippies ( they're both on the left wing ). So, in some ways i guess that would work out but then again not all punks are the same. Now days we just come across the kids who claim to be punk one day and then claim some other trendy lable. They just want attention- not to be different. HAve you noticed how everyone has the same hair and clothing- punks are all about originality- but kids now days just don't have it.