Punks = Hippies + Violence??? (dancing, country, hardcore, fan, Europe)

Sneer · 05-31-2005, 04:33 PM

so hippies are placid punks then yeah? not all punks are violent, bit of a generalisation.

Fenixpunk · 05-31-2005, 05:05 PM

id say a bit rowdy at times, especially when alcohol is involved. but most punks ive known (those i would consider "real" punks) are rarely violent unless someone is violent towards them. Wasnt the original message something about peace and unity to begin with? Hippies had their go at it in their own way, i guess punks are just a little more driven by the anger knowing the hippie way didnt seem to work to well for them.

Babygoth · 06-01-2005, 07:57 AM

This thread is such an oxy-moron arent hippies against all types of violence??? *duh*!

phoenixflames · 06-01-2005, 08:01 AM

^ Did you even read what the original post said?

All_Nite_Dinah · 06-01-2005, 09:03 AM

I dont think a punk is any more violent than any other faction out there. If anything I think were less. I've seen alot more jocks running around picking fights and talking about killing things and dropping bombs than punks. I guess it may just be because I'm a big fan of peacepunk, but it seems to me that most punks are more concious about there enviroment and the problems with it and are therefor more likely to be against violence. I've never seen a real punk get in a fight just for kicks. All that stuff where you pick fights for fun is just lame. But honestly look at all the orginizations headed by punks, Plea for Peace, Food not Bombs, Anti Racist Action, S.H.A.R.P., etc. etc. Its not like the normal masses who sign up for the NRA or Army. I think most of us are pretty docile creatures unless threatened.

phoenixflames · 06-01-2005, 09:14 AM

^ That makes alot of sense.

I think society has a real stereotype that punks pick fights, knife people, blow stuff up, etc. But as is the case with most stereotypes, it seems pretty false. I suppose there are those who live up to that though.

Babygoth · 06-01-2005, 09:18 AM

I dont think a punk is any more violent than any other faction out there. If anything I think were less. I've seen alot more jocks running around picking fights and talking about killing things and dropping bombs than punks. I guess it may just be because I'm a big fan of peacepunk, but it seems to me that most punks are more concious about there enviroment and the problems with it and are therefor more likely to be against violence. I've never seen a real punk get in a fight just for kicks. All that stuff where you pick fights for fun is just lame. But honestly look at all the orginizations headed by punks, Plea for Peace, Food not Bombs, Anti Racist Action, S.H.A.R.P., etc. etc. Its not like the normal masses who sign up for the NRA or Army. I think most of us are pretty docile creatures unless threatened.

I totally agree with you we can get violent but mainly if were f***** with the majority of punks think that thats what being punk is all about but no its the ultimate rebellion being obnoxious although i still dont think thats true.

All_Nite_Dinah · 06-01-2005, 09:12 AM

O yea! I forgot to mention that I imagine that an argument against my statement will be the yea-boiiii-jock-core bands as seen in videos like "The Boston Beatdown" Bands like hatebreed, earth crisis, blood for blood, agnostic front, death before dishonor, etc. etc. Well Simply put, I dont think these are punk or hardcore bands at all. All that stuff is just stupid, if someone and there "crew" were to come around where I live or into the TC scene Im pretty sure that there tales of bigotry, racism, ninja dancing, and random acts of violence there "crew" would be pretty quickly taken down and not alowed around for long. Once again I say retaliatory force, its not like there picking fights at shows or anything(yes Im aware some kids try to pull that ****) and ruin everyones fun, but most punks will retaliate if need be. I dont want to get in a fight but if your dooing something just dumb I will tell you to stop and if you pick a fight I wont be afraid to follow through. Anyway ugh, this probobly dosnt make any sense to anyone but me because im ramblling, blah blah blah blah.

~~hiu~~ · 06-01-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by All_Nite_Dinah

O yea! I forgot to mention that I imagine that an argument against my statement will be the yea-boiiii-jock-core bands as seen in videos like "The Boston Beatdown" Bands like hatebreed, earth crisis, blood for blood, agnostic front, death before dishonor, etc. etc. Well Simply put, I dont think these are punk or hardcore bands at all. All that stuff is just stupid, if someone and there "crew" were to come around where I live or into the TC scene Im pretty sure that there tales of bigotry, racism, ninja dancing, and random acts of violence there "crew" would be pretty quickly taken down and not alowed around for long. Once again I say retaliatory force, its not like there picking fights at shows or anything(yes Im aware some kids try to pull that ****) and ruin everyones fun, but most punks will retaliate if need be. I dont want to get in a fight but if your dooing something just dumb I will tell you to stop and if you pick a fight I wont be afraid to follow through. Anyway ugh, this probobly dosnt make any sense to anyone but me because im ramblling, blah blah blah blah.

Those bands make why the hardcore scene is so shit, even though I do like the odd Agnostic Front song. Everyone listen to Gorilla Biscuits.

De Selby · 06-03-2005, 05:19 PM

Over here in Ireland Punk was/is never really a violent thing,obviously like in all circles there have been violent incidents related to the word but in general it isn't.
Most punk is anti violence,things get a bit rowdy like the dancing and the rallying but it's not intentional violence.
Ireland was pretty much still in the dark ages when the whole hippy/punk and anything before that was happening so it all kinda emalgamated into one big culture boom in the early 80's.
I have to say that punk and all the political and social activism that goes with it did a lot for this country as opposed to any other cultural movement.A lot of the hippys became politicians and bankers and media moguls (money attraction) where as a lot of the punks became writers,artists and poets which had a great effect on a lot of young Irish people which encouraged and helped build a social state with a lot of freedom.
You can't take away the music from the word Punk,because thats where it all started,otherwise use the term anarchist,communist,socialist worker,Individualist and not Punk.
Skinheads should not be deemed punk,they are fascist violent thug ****s with nothing better to do.

Punk is music that holds a sense of community and revolution where the whole community are on equal par and have equal say in the revolution be you a fan or an artist.

Thats my two cents anyway.

http://www.riastradh.com

05-31-2005, 04:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,397	so hippies are placid punks then yeah? not all punks are violent, bit of a generalisation. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

05-31-2005, 05:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Fenixpunk The Erroneous Hoodlum Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: West Side Phoenix Posts: 2,059	id say a bit rowdy at times, especially when alcohol is involved. but most punks ive known (those i would consider "real" punks) are rarely violent unless someone is violent towards them. Wasnt the original message something about peace and unity to begin with? Hippies had their go at it in their own way, i guess punks are just a little more driven by the anger knowing the hippie way didnt seem to work to well for them. __________________ This message has been approved by Shawn Erroneous - The Declaimed

06-01-2005, 08:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
phoenixflames Something That You're Not Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cold And All Alone Posts: 476	^ Did you even read what the original post said? __________________ ----------- I'm the lead singer and bass player for the band The Ascent (And Decline) Of Terrion. Yay for me... We're from Ohio. Yay for us... www.theascentofterrion.com Be our friend on MySpace

06-01-2005, 09:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
All_Nite_Dinah Not Impressed Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 734	I dont think a punk is any more violent than any other faction out there. If anything I think were less. I've seen alot more jocks running around picking fights and talking about killing things and dropping bombs than punks. I guess it may just be because I'm a big fan of peacepunk, but it seems to me that most punks are more concious about there enviroment and the problems with it and are therefor more likely to be against violence. I've never seen a real punk get in a fight just for kicks. All that stuff where you pick fights for fun is just lame. But honestly look at all the orginizations headed by punks, Plea for Peace, Food not Bombs, Anti Racist Action, S.H.A.R.P., etc. etc. Its not like the normal masses who sign up for the NRA or Army. I think most of us are pretty docile creatures unless threatened. __________________ If I cant dance I dont want to be part of your revolution. DEATH TO FALSE DUDES!

06-01-2005, 09:14 AM	#6 (permalink)
phoenixflames Something That You're Not Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cold And All Alone Posts: 476	^ That makes alot of sense. I think society has a real stereotype that punks pick fights, knife people, blow stuff up, etc. But as is the case with most stereotypes, it seems pretty false. I suppose there are those who live up to that though. __________________ ----------- I'm the lead singer and bass player for the band The Ascent (And Decline) Of Terrion. Yay for me... We're from Ohio. Yay for us... www.theascentofterrion.com Be our friend on MySpace

06-01-2005, 07:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
Babygoth Music Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 29	This thread is such an oxy-moron arent hippies against all types of violence??? duh!

06-01-2005, 09:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
Babygoth Music Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 29	I dont think a punk is any more violent than any other faction out there. If anything I think were less. I've seen alot more jocks running around picking fights and talking about killing things and dropping bombs than punks. I guess it may just be because I'm a big fan of peacepunk, but it seems to me that most punks are more concious about there enviroment and the problems with it and are therefor more likely to be against violence. I've never seen a real punk get in a fight just for kicks. All that stuff where you pick fights for fun is just lame. But honestly look at all the orginizations headed by punks, Plea for Peace, Food not Bombs, Anti Racist Action, S.H.A.R.P., etc. etc. Its not like the normal masses who sign up for the NRA or Army. I think most of us are pretty docile creatures unless threatened. I totally agree with you we can get violent but mainly if were f***** with the majority of punks think that thats what being punk is all about but no its the ultimate rebellion being obnoxious although i still dont think thats true.

06-01-2005, 09:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
All_Nite_Dinah Not Impressed Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 734	O yea! I forgot to mention that I imagine that an argument against my statement will be the yea-boiiii-jock-core bands as seen in videos like "The Boston Beatdown" Bands like hatebreed, earth crisis, blood for blood, agnostic front, death before dishonor, etc. etc. Well Simply put, I dont think these are punk or hardcore bands at all. All that stuff is just stupid, if someone and there "crew" were to come around where I live or into the TC scene Im pretty sure that there tales of bigotry, racism, ninja dancing, and random acts of violence there "crew" would be pretty quickly taken down and not alowed around for long. Once again I say retaliatory force, its not like there picking fights at shows or anything(yes Im aware some kids try to pull that ****) and ruin everyones fun, but most punks will retaliate if need be. I dont want to get in a fight but if your dooing something just dumb I will tell you to stop and if you pick a fight I wont be afraid to follow through. Anyway ugh, this probobly dosnt make any sense to anyone but me because im ramblling, blah blah blah blah. __________________ If I cant dance I dont want to be part of your revolution. DEATH TO FALSE DUDES!

06-03-2005, 05:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
De Selby Groupie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ballina,Ireland. Posts: 2	Over here in Ireland Punk was/is never really a violent thing,obviously like in all circles there have been violent incidents related to the word but in general it isn't. Most punk is anti violence,things get a bit rowdy like the dancing and the rallying but it's not intentional violence. Ireland was pretty much still in the dark ages when the whole hippy/punk and anything before that was happening so it all kinda emalgamated into one big culture boom in the early 80's. I have to say that punk and all the political and social activism that goes with it did a lot for this country as opposed to any other cultural movement.A lot of the hippys became politicians and bankers and media moguls (money attraction) where as a lot of the punks became writers,artists and poets which had a great effect on a lot of young Irish people which encouraged and helped build a social state with a lot of freedom. You can't take away the music from the word Punk,because thats where it all started,otherwise use the term anarchist,communist,socialist worker,Individualist and not Punk. Skinheads should not be deemed punk,they are fascist violent thug ****s with nothing better to do. Punk is music that holds a sense of community and revolution where the whole community are on equal par and have equal say in the revolution be you a fan or an artist. Thats my two cents anyway. http://www.riastradh.com