Punk Wars

Engine · 02-16-2013, 11:14 PM

So heretofore the vote stands
The Damned: 3
Stiff Little Fingers: 0

My vote goes to Inflammable Material and I didn't even have to think about it. The Damned album, like all of their early stuff, is fun, has a fun sound, and makes me feel like the band members would have been fun to hang out with. So very fun. Good album, but fun gets dull especially when punk rock was in its awkward late-70s/early-80s stage.

On the other had, the SLF album is a lot angrier, largely due to Jake Burns's vocals and while not as fun, it's more better to me. I prefer better punk to fun punk so I'd choose Inflammable Material over Machine Gun Etiquette any time, any day.

The Damned: 3
Stiff Little Fingers: 1

Screen13 · 02-17-2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Engine

. The Damned album, like all of their early stuff, is fun, has a fun sound, and makes me feel like the band members would have been fun to hang out with. So very fun. Good album, but fun gets dull especially when punk rock was in its awkward late-70s/early-80s stage.

I can agree with part of that, especially when one thinks about the one-trick bands that were a major part of the "Fun Punk" that was from that time (Spizz whatever his name changed for that year, Max Splodge, Tenpole Tudor, a lot of the California bands that were more comfortable with New Wave than Punk and so on - although I actually kind of liked Tudor's stuff, blame The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle for that), but there was something different and better about the Damned's style of fun that stood above from the rest in my opinion. The Damned did it right, especially with Machine Gun Etiquette and The Black Album.

SLF were (Still are?) a great band, especially when it came to being topical, honest, and powerful, and I will stand on a very unpopular opinion that they were great with the ...Now Then era. If this were a war between debut albums, I would have voted for SLF for being the stronger of the two, but as this was paired with what's arguably The Damned's most accomplished album, it's a bit of a unfair war in my opinion. The Damned's debut was great, but SLF's was more direct and better than the shambolic but still essential 1976 model Damned.

MGE has everything that makes The Damned one of the best of the Late 70's UK Punk era, and to me that puts it slightly higher than Inflammable Material by a pinch.

If the SLF album was Nobody's Heroes, then it would be a time to seriously re-evaluate each album (possibly with SLF being the winner for me).

Engine · 02-17-2013, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Screen13

I can agree with part of that, especially when one thinks about the one-trick bands that were a major part of the "Fun Punk" that was from that time (Spizz whatever his name changed for that year, Max Splodge, Tenpole Tudor, a lot of the California bands that were more comfortable with New Wave than Punk and so on - although I actually kind of liked Tudor's stuff, blame The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle for that), but there was something different and better about the Damned's style of fun that stood above from the rest in my opinion. The Damned did it right, especially with Machine Gun Etiquette and The Black Album.

SLF were (Still are?) a great band, especially when it came to being topical, honest, and powerful, and I will stand on a very unpopular opinion that they were great with the ...Now Then era. If this were a war between debut albums, I would have voted for SLF for being the stronger of the two, but as this was paired with what's arguably The Damned's most accomplished album, it's a bit of a unfair war in my opinion. The Damned's debut was great, but SLF's was more direct and better than the shambolic but still essential 1976 model Damned.

MGE has everything that makes The Damned one of the best of the Late 70's UK Punk era, and to me that puts it slightly higher than Inflammable Material by a pinch.

If the SLF album was Nobody's Heroes, then it would be a time to seriously re-evaluate each album (possibly with SLF being the winner for me).

Yeah, that... assesses my point exactly, and then some.

BastardofYoung · 02-20-2013, 02:33 PM

Well, this one has been idle for the last few, so I am going to call this one off and move onto a user submitted battle.

So victory for The Damned. I had to do this one cause after 2 surprise victories for me, I went with one where I knew what the outcome would be.

So the next one is from Alfred who wants to see a "Turn-of-the-century-ish post-hardcore landmarks" battle.

So here we go, I am sure this one will see more activity than the last one.

vs.

Cast your vote, and make a brief reason as why...

Alfred · 02-20-2013, 04:32 PM

Three years ago I probably would have said Relationship Of Command, but that album wore on me more than Shape Of Punk To Come. I hardly ever listen to it anymore, but it's still a very important album in regards to shaping my musical tastes. The Shape Of Punk To Come, on the other hand, has endless replay value and a greater variety. I also think that it's more creative and innovative than Relationship Of Command, as great as Omar's guitar work is.

Violent & Funky · 02-20-2013, 09:25 PM

My feelings basically mirror Aldred. Both albums are excellent, but Shape of Punk to Come just has that extra "wow factor" that makes it a masterpiece.

The Shape of Punk to Come 2
Relationship of Command 0

Engine · 02-20-2013, 09:51 PM

I think I'm in the minority that feels that both of these albums are not great. I was kind of shocked when At The Drive-In hit the bigtime. Not my thing at all. The first ATDI album is far better than anything that The Mars Volta ever did but I can barely stand that band.

The Refused album is more deservedly loved. It's a pretty decent 80s rehash album.

Both albums are sort of good. Refused definitely wins though.

Refused: 3
at the drive-in: zero

BastardofYoung · 02-25-2013, 02:41 AM

wow, this thread is sinking fast, haha.

Newkie · 03-01-2013, 11:19 AM

This is actually a pretty easy choice for me, I was never a great fan of At The Drive In-I remember seeing them on Jools Holland (on tv obviously) about 11 years ago and I remembered thinking, "these guys look awesome!" but when I heard the album, they just struck me as a slightly more camp RATM and so I never got into them.

The Shape of Punk to Come though, that was awesome, it was such a raw sound and so different to what I expected "punk" to sound like in those days, when I only really knew the pop-punk contemporaries. I was also more into metal at that point so maybe that's why I found it more appealing?

Refused: 4
At The Drive In: 0

Newkie · 03-01-2013, 11:32 AM

ATDI - One Armed Scissor (Jools Holland) - YouTube

Here's the video actually. Great fun.

02-16-2013, 11:14 PM	#51 (permalink)
Engine air quote Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pollen & mold Posts: 3,108	So heretofore the vote stands The Damned: 3 Stiff Little Fingers: 0 My vote goes to Inflammable Material and I didn't even have to think about it. The Damned album, like all of their early stuff, is fun, has a fun sound, and makes me feel like the band members would have been fun to hang out with. So very fun. Good album, but fun gets dull especially when punk rock was in its awkward late-70s/early-80s stage. On the other had, the SLF album is a lot angrier, largely due to Jake Burns's vocals and while not as fun, it's more better to me. I prefer better punk to fun punk so I'd choose Inflammable Material over Machine Gun Etiquette any time, any day. The Damned: 3 Stiff Little Fingers: 1 __________________ Like an arrow, I was only passing through.

02-20-2013, 02:33 PM	#54 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	Well, this one has been idle for the last few, so I am going to call this one off and move onto a user submitted battle. So victory for The Damned. I had to do this one cause after 2 surprise victories for me, I went with one where I knew what the outcome would be. So the next one is from Alfred who wants to see a "Turn-of-the-century-ish post-hardcore landmarks" battle. So here we go, I am sure this one will see more activity than the last one. vs. Cast your vote, and make a brief reason as why... __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

02-20-2013, 04:32 PM	#55 (permalink)
Alfred one big soul Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 5,096	Three years ago I probably would have said Relationship Of Command, but that album wore on me more than Shape Of Punk To Come. I hardly ever listen to it anymore, but it's still a very important album in regards to shaping my musical tastes. The Shape Of Punk To Come, on the other hand, has endless replay value and a greater variety. I also think that it's more creative and innovative than Relationship Of Command, as great as Omar's guitar work is. __________________ LAST.FM / VINYL COLLECTION / RYM

02-20-2013, 09:25 PM	#56 (permalink)
Violent & Funky FUNky Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 2,482	My feelings basically mirror Aldred. Both albums are excellent, but Shape of Punk to Come just has that extra "wow factor" that makes it a masterpiece. The Shape of Punk to Come 2 Relationship of Command 0 __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/ohio0808 sometimes I don't thrill you sometimes I think I'll kill you just don't let me fuck up will you 'cause when I need a friend it's still you

02-20-2013, 09:51 PM	#57 (permalink)
Engine air quote Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pollen & mold Posts: 3,108	I think I'm in the minority that feels that both of these albums are not great. I was kind of shocked when At The Drive-In hit the bigtime. Not my thing at all. The first ATDI album is far better than anything that The Mars Volta ever did but I can barely stand that band. The Refused album is more deservedly loved. It's a pretty decent 80s rehash album. Both albums are sort of good. Refused definitely wins though. Refused: 3 at the drive-in: zero __________________ Like an arrow, I was only passing through.

02-25-2013, 02:41 AM	#58 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	wow, this thread is sinking fast, haha. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

03-01-2013, 11:19 AM	#59 (permalink)
Newkie Boozy Lad Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Newport, South Wales Posts: 482	This is actually a pretty easy choice for me, I was never a great fan of At The Drive In-I remember seeing them on Jools Holland (on tv obviously) about 11 years ago and I remembered thinking, "these guys look awesome!" but when I heard the album, they just struck me as a slightly more camp RATM and so I never got into them. The Shape of Punk to Come though, that was awesome, it was such a raw sound and so different to what I expected "punk" to sound like in those days, when I only really knew the pop-punk contemporaries. I was also more into metal at that point so maybe that's why I found it more appealing? Refused: 4 At The Drive In: 0

03-01-2013, 11:32 AM	#60 (permalink)
Newkie Boozy Lad Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Newport, South Wales Posts: 482	ATDI - One Armed Scissor (Jools Holland) - YouTube Here's the video actually. Great fun.