86.Towers of London Genre (Punk rock/Glam metal) London UK, era Modern & adding

Ghoultown Genre (Psychobilly/Cow/Horror Punk) Texas USA, Modern

Towers of London

So I thought I would try something different here, this band is a bit of a teenie bopper band out of the UK whose members state they were inspired by New York proto punk bands like Johnny & the Heartbreakers. I however like them because they remind me of Motley Crue & Guns N Roses!!!

Unfortunately the lead singer has made a fool of himself on several occasions resulting in the departure of key talented members, so it could be say la vee.

Speaking of glam metal, I've often made fun of the Black Veil Brides, but these posers came out with an awesome song!, It's like Billy Idol meets Motley Crue! Could it be were seeing the return of glam metal?!? Could it be that the sunset strip is returning??? Crue, GNR, WASP, F'n rights GGGGGGGGGLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAMMMMMMM metal!

I'm a rat



Kill the pop scene



Avaline




Ghoultown

And now for something a million times cooler than Towers of London. I would usually consider Psychobilly to fall under the post punk alternative category, but these guys can rock pretty hard.

Anyways I'm not ranking bands anymore, just plopping down something that I think will fit with something else.

Under the Phantom Moon



Drink With The Living Dead



Walkin through the desert

I've only listened to a tiny bit of Municipal Waste, and they don't seem like anything special. I think they were just one of the first of the new wave of thrash bands, so they get mentioned a lot. Warbringer and Toxic Holocaust are pretty cool though, along with Evile, but I definitely don't see any thrash revival being anything more than a quick flash in the pan novelty thing. Thrash became a ludicrously overpopulated and stagnant genre in the eighties, so I don't see why anybody thinks that reviving it is going to accomplish anything.

I see your point, I don't mind the thrash revival because I think the genre has stood the test of time, in that its still pretty hard sounding by today's standards.

Outside of Toxic Holocaust though, I haven't heard any of the above mentioned bands put out any songs on par with the big four. In hindsight, it really makes me appreciate how phenomenal bands like Metallica & Megadeth were. Minus them, I don't think thrash would have carried the day, even with Slayer in the mix.

85. Cock & Ball Torture Genre (Pornogrind) , Germany, era 00's &

Spermbirds Genre (Hardcore/Melodic Hardcore), Germany, era 80's/90's

C & B Torture:

So I have sort of trio of smut bands coming up next, the first of these is a pornogrind band from Germany. For those who don't know, pornogrind is often a mixture of groove guitars mixed in with the brutal sounds of grind that are usually about sex, perversion, bdsm ect, I will leave it to your imagination as to what this is for.

poontang clan



Enema Bulldozer



Fat sex mamma



Spermbirds

This never did really turn into an international list, so not a lot of German bands, but the Spermbirds always had a popular following in North America.

Political Prisoners

I don't know, this song hits about as hard as a sledgehammer:

It is a pretty rockin song I give you that, but I still think it falls sort of the classics, Peace Sells, Jesus Saves, Jump in the fire ect. For the most part with the odd exception, I'm not hearing the classic killer songs that made the original thrash movement so great... Anyways I should probably get back on track here and save the metal discussion for another day, so next up...

84. Anti Nowhere League Genre (Punk rock) , London UK era 80's &

Stiff Little Fingers Genre (Punk rock) Belfast UK, era 70's/80's

Anti Nowhere League:

Classic Uk punk band.

Well I've had crabs
And I've had lice
And I've had the pox and that ain't nice
So what, so what

Well I've ****ed this
And I've ****ed that
And I've even ****ed a schoolgirl's crack
So what, so what
So what, so what you boring little ****


So What



For You



We are the league



Stiff Little Fingers

One of the classic big names to come out of Northern Ireland

Bloody Sunday



Alternative Ulster



No Sleep till Belfast

Surprised to see Refused so low, but hey, at least you included it. Shape Of Punk To Come is a timeless album, probably my second favourite record ever.

I can really dig the League. Lots of white power idiots at their shows, but thats the case with many punk shows. They still got it too, I saw them two years ago and they played a blistering set at Hogue Barmichaels in Newport Beach.

Yes the league were a good solid rockin band. No politics, no nonesense kind of guys, just hard drinkin, & partying.

I'm suprised you still have the whole BNP skinhead thing going on over there though, I'm assuming you mean in the past?

Unfortuantly racists are often attracted to rebellious music, whether it be punk, metal or hip hop, as they tend to be outsiders themselves. In North America hardcore has a pretty diverse fan base, which makes it harder for them to operate. My only responsibilty is to make sure they remain sidelined, I don't want them associated with music I like, it's embarrissing.

83. G.G. Allin Genre (Punk Rock) , Vermont USA era, 80's, 90's

Ah so here we are, the king of smut, the man who gave us such legendary hits as I'm a rapist, Expose yourself to kids & I want to piss on you. G.G. Allin, born Jesus Christ Allin, is probably the most infamous shock rock artist in the history of music period, in short he makes Alice Cooper & Marilyn Manson look like choir boys, think of Iggy Pop going violently psychotic. GG Allin was cited by Rolling Stone magazine as rock n roll's most legendary degenerate, and for good reason...I won't elaborate on his...ventures, but I will just say that if he spent less time eating his own ****, and more time on concentrating on his music, he would be higher on the list. (A lot poor production quality) I'll spare you the live footage lol.

Bite it you scum



Die When You Die



Gimme Some Head

82. 7 Year Bitch Genre (Riot Grrrl/Punk Rock/Grunge), Washington State, USA era 90's &

Bikini Kill Genre (RiotGrrrl/Punk Rock), Washington State, USA, era 90's

7 Year Bitch:

My first Riot Grrl band on the list, and a band I remember doing live sound for back in the 90's. Great band.

It's too late



Hip like junk



Go (Tones on tail cover)



Bikini Kill:

Adding another riot grrrl band I was into back in the day that I had originally cut from the list.

Great but I don't think so guys

Elaborate?

i used to love 7 Year Bitch....man its been a while.....never heard that cover of Go either

Funny enough I hadn't heard it either, I was trying to decide on a third song to put down and I stumbled across it. Pretty funky eh. 7 Year Bitch, Bikini Kill, Riot Grrrl it was all good.

81. Chaos U.K. Genre (Hardcore/Thrashcore) Somerset Uk , era 80's 90's

The Violators Genre (Punk Rock) Derbyshire UK, era 80's

One of the more notable differences between UK & US punk during the 80's is that the Brits were much more prone to utilize various audio effects in their recordings from the Cure, on down to something as hard as Napalm Death. This in my opinion made for some damn cool music, & is pretty much what I loved about early hardcore. Chaos UK's early releases epitomizes this style with the use of reverb, phasers, bass treble, double tom drums ect. Consequently, from 1984 onwards though they would pursue a more straight ahead thrashcore sound.


No Security



Victimized



The end is nigh



The Violators

Another UK band that liked to incorporate guitar effects into their music

Summer of 81



Live Fast Die Young

WOW Chaos UK at 81. One of the best bands of that era, glad to see them get some love even though its expected. One of those groups that speaks to people on many levels. No Security is a personal favorite. I'd say Englands sound in general was more eclectic then the USA, but you need both to make a killer top 100.

I originally had Chaos Uk a little higher, as they are actually one of my favourite bands for their early material. I am however trying to take all sentiment out of this, and strictly go by ear, which means I've placed a lot a bands that I'm not so hot on ahead of them.

You may see some very notable UK bands fly by on this list, but not to worry, I was bred on the Brit stuff, so there are defiantly UK bands in the top 10...just might not be who you expect.

80. Gorilla Biscuits Genre (Melodic Hardcore/NYHC) New York USA , era 80's and

Youth of Today Genre (Melodic Hardcore/NYHC) New York USA, era 90's

Okay so here is where I originally had placed Gorilla Biscuits before I started tinkering around with things, I'm sure GB fans are still none to happy, lol, but I admit I did initially low ball them.


Anyways I stand by what I originally stated, One of New York's finest, that has been immortalized over the years. I think they were good but they only had one official full length album, had they stuck around and given us few more New Direction & Start Today songs they would be further up the list.

Start Today



New Direction



Big Mouth




Okay now that I've pissed off the yanks its time to tick of the Brits, I'll probably have half of England projecting beer bottles at me after the next enrty, and then near the end of this set my Canadian brethern will have it in for me as well, lol.

Youth of Today

I had originally cut Youth of Today from the list, but as I'm revamping things, I mind as well place them next to the GB's as they are both the most notable straight edge hardcore bands of their era. Minus Minor Threat of course.

Youth Crew



No More



makachowwaaoaowow!"

79. Discharge Genre (Hardcore/D beat) Stoke on Trent Uk, era 80's &

Lobotomia Genre (Hardcore/Crossover Thrash) Brazil, era 80's

Discharge:

Whenever you low ball one of the greats you usually have to provide some sort of explanation. I did put Discharge in the top 100, but for many this band should probably be in the top 20 considering the influence they had on bands like Metallica , Anthrax and the thrash metal scene in general. I do however have a good explanation that goes beyond saying I'm not a huge fan of their sound.

One notable difference between underground bands & mainstream bands is that the former is often plagued with line up changes, and when you lose a key member of your band, the chances of continuing as something legendary are often stacked against you. This is what happened with Discharge after Tony Bones left to form his own band, although Cal was important, it was Tony Bones who was really the matrix of the groups sound, and in my opinion, he is one of the better hardcore guitarist out there. It's a shame he left because afterwards he began to pursue a more aggressive grinding guitar sound, together he and Cal could have produced wonders, but they spit, and so here they sit well below GBH & the Exploited.

Protest & Survive



State Violence-State Control



Free Speech For The Dumb



Lobotomia

Lobotomia was a band from Brazil that was intitially inspired by early British hardcore, but eventually switched over to crossover thrash. I quite like them more than Ratos de Porao, and they released a new album a while back that doesn't sound too bad, I can't get individual tracks for upload though.

Só os Mortos Não Reclamam



Donos do Sistema / Mosh To Die



The More I See

hmmmm.....keeping my mouth shut about Gorilla Biscuits :)

but wow man.....i can see not really liking Discharge....although i'd disagree....but keeping in mind that an entire sub genre of punk rock "D Beat" comes from and is named after this band....i mean amazing bands like Anti Cimex, Misantropic, Doom, even Dropdead.....i'd even agree that Discharge had as much influence on early black metal as Bathory and Venom.....and probably influence those two bands

as always...your list you opinion....and cannot wait to see your top ten :)

i'll just say it now....i for one can't fucking stand the exploited....and blame them for "punker than thou" acts like rancid....

i feel you got great taste and can't wait to see where they are on the list :)

Ah, Gorilla Biscuits were the first hardcore band I ever got into. They'll always have a special place in my heart because of that.

^yep :)

1993 hanging out with my ex Michelle...she introduce me to here current boyfriend Eric Prater.....we chatted for a bit and he asked me if i like hardcore music....i stated of course and named of Helmet and Jesus Lizard.....he looked at me and handed me two albums saying "you have no idea what hardcore is. listen to these" one album was Uniform Choice's Screaming For Change and the other was Gorilla Biscuits's Start Today.....that horn into still puts me in a frenzy :)

In my case it was my buddy Randy who introduced them to me sometime in 1991 or 1992, when I was a freshman in high school. It was a great little musical exchange we had going on—he was the punk kid and I was the "industrial" kid. He introduced me to Gorilla Biscuits, Fugazi and Black Flag. I introduced him to Ministry, PiL and Pigface.

It's funny how we all remember such specifics about how we got into bands when we were young. These days I can't remember where I first heard of a band most of the time it seems.

Uniform Choice was a revelation. I gotta say I'd have Discharge in my top ten easy. That snap crackle pop guitar sound, the earth shattering vocals and the amazing energy of their music was very powerful. More then any other d-beat band less Doom, Discharge really created something different and new, the way bands like Extreme Noise Terror did also. One of my favorite punk rock bands in general. Why is one of those albums that comes along that just bashes your head in and makes you see music in a different light. Interested to see where this thread goes also, WTB has done one hell of a good job even if Chaos UK and Discharge should be higher up in my opinion. Great thread.

Well, pre-internet you used to have to put a lot more effort into discovering bands. More likely you happened to know somebody who puts you on to them.

My GB story is similar. A kid I knew asked me if I would drive him to a show they played in a suburban rec center outside of DC (also 91 or 92) because his parents wouldn't let him take their car. I had never heard them before. I still love Start Today and listen to it more than a lot of stuff from that time.

Same here. Honestly, "Start Today" in particular, and the album in general, is one of the best things in the world to listen to when you're feeling down or unmotivated.

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Well if its any conselation, there is another band coming up with a former Discharge member in it, though you may have to wait awhile.


Egads! you don't like The Exploited or Rancid! "Can you fly Bobby!" jk :) I wonder if anyone will catch where that quote is from. I don't know how people will take my top 10, honestly I think most people will be disapointed, its a little unorthodox, I'm also still working on whose in & whose out of it, a little ways away yet.

Anyways it appears I've survived the Discharge, but not the Gorilla Biscuits onslaught. So I know I've said this a thousand times but if enough people put their input in at the end, I'll revamp the list according to MB members. Anyways time for some grind.

78. Terrorizer Genre (Grindcore), California USA era 80's
Pig Destroyer Genre (Grindcore), Virginia USA, era Modern

I mentioned in passing that we may see Pig Destroyer again, as I didn't give them a fair shake, and sort of stuck them below Brutal Truth hoping no one would notice. I must confess that I've always held a thinly veiled prejudice against grindcore, in that I've always viewed it as punk's poor man's version of Death Metal, even though grind came first, it defiantly got superseeded by the latter. To me death metal is more technically interesting, although I know many grind fans would disagree, preferring the raw brutality it has to offer

That being said, there are some talented grindcore bands that have turned the genre into a perfected art, and so I give you the best of American grind, Terrorizer & Pig Destroyer, and a shot out to Assuck who didn't make the list. Next up....more grind!!!

Terrorizer

Fear of Napalm



Hordes Of Zombies



Corporation Pull-In



Pig Destroyer

The Diplomat



Loathsome



Naked Trees

77. Bring me the Horizon Genre (Metalcore/Hardcore/Deathcore) Sheffield UK, era Modern &

Six FT Ditch Genre (Beatdown Hardcore/Murdercore) Hampshire UK, era Modern

BMTH

So I put the grind on hold for a sec, moving things around again.
Anyhow I think I gave fair warning before that there are some emocore bands are on the list, but I am not going to back down on this one, despite the fact that BMTH attracts a lot of fan fare hatred.

I have been following this band since their early inception shortly after the release of their first ep. I recognized the talent back then, and I am not surprised that they've became one of the biggest names in metalcore, and will continue to do so in the years to come, provided they don't keep replacing their guitarists.

Alligator Blood



Shadow Mose



Diamonds Aren't Forever




Six FT Ditch

I was originally going to pair BMTH up with another metalcore band like the Architects, but after hearing them do a bunch of girlie power ballads, it looks like they're on their way to selling out, so at this point, I've come to believe that metalcore is beyond redemption, and thus I give you some murdercore instead.

Now for those of you who hate the whole...how shall I say...thug attitude of beatdown hardcore, I shall forewarn you that this won't be your cup of tea. It sounds like a combination of New York Hardcore, with some metal and gangsta attitude thrown in. Anyways it does it job,

SIX FEET DEEP



MARCH OF THE SFD

76. The Dehumanizers Genre (Hardcore/Crossover Thrash), Washington State era 80's &

Articles of Faith Genre (Hardcore/Proto Screamo), illinois USA, 80' & some screamo bands below.

Before Nirvana, Seattle had The Dehumanizers!!! & growing up in the North West I can attest to their greatness, as this is the style of punk I prefer.

Like Chaos UK they are one of my all time favourite punk bands, which I also have probably just lowballed, this whole countdown thing is becoming much harder than I thought.

Kill Lou Guzzo



Chemical Death



Renegade Smurf



Articles of Faith

One of the godfathers of emo/screamo

Remain in Memory



Screamo Bands

There are no real Screamo bands on the list, primarily because I don't the genre, and I'm not refferring to the corporate crap either, aka, Hawthorne Heights, but the real deal stuff as well.

I finally put my finger on why I don't like it though. Traditionally hardcore music has always been music to pick you up when your down, strap on your boots kind of music that has you go out and kick life in the balls.

Screamo on the other hand, is deppressing wallow in your beer music...not even beer... more like cry in your bedroom, and write poetry kind of music. I'll probably like it if I ever get lovesick for Buffy again, but otherwise it's best binned.

Saetia Genre (Screamo) New York, USA, era, 90's/00's

Venus and Bacchus



Funeral Diner Genre (Screamo) California, USA, era 90's/00's

We Become Buried



Orchid Genre (Screamo) Massachusettes, USA, 90's

Epilogue of a Car Crash

75. Extreme Noise Terror Genre (Grindcore/Hardcore) Ipswich UK , era 80's 90's &

Rotten Sound Genre (Grindcore) Finland, era, 90's to present

ENT:

Uhg, Grindcore doesn't go good with a hangover. Anyways,Grindcore pioneers Extreme Noise Terror are like a bottle of wine, the longer you leave it the better it is. Let's say you open your ENT bottle in 1986, well then it's like buying one of those crappy value wines at Wallmart, like a Yellow Tail or something. But if you let it sit and ferment for 10/11 years and grab something from say 1997, than mmmm, mmmm yummy.

RIP Phil Vane, you'll always be my favourite grindcore vocalist.

Jesus on my side



Shallow existence



Utopia Burns



Anyways I'll put the brakes on the UK stuff for awhile

Rotten Sound

Another powerhouse grindcore band, this one from Finland.

Decay



Burden



Verta Ja Suolenpätkiä

74. Suicide Silence Genre (Deathcore) California USA , era Modern &

Exhumed Genre (Deathgrind/Death Metal) California USA, era 90's to present

I noted before that I am not a huge fan of deathcore, as a general rule of thumb I find the genre to be a real snooze fest, in that it all pretty much sounds the same, in other words really monotonous and boring.

What I look for in any musical genre are songs that stand out and separate a band from the rest of the pack, and despite giving deathcore heavyweights Job for a Cowboy, Whitechapel & Red Chord, a good spin on more than one occasion, I'm just not feeling it, that is of course with the exception of this one band. Suicide Silence really could have been the leader of the pack for this heavy metal genre, largely due to a talented vocalist who had charismatic shades of Bon Scott. Consequently he's now passed on, as his long lyrics state "live life hard!" he defiantly did that, RIP, Mitch Lucker.

You only live once



Revelations



No pity for the coward



Exhumed

In revamping this list, I realized that I did not have any deathgrind bands, primarily because when you use the word death in a genre, it seems to take precedence. Thus whether it be deathgrind or deathcore, in the end, it's far more of a sub genre of death metal than hardcore in my opinion.

The Matter of Splatter

73. Total Chaos Genre (Hardcore/Punk rock) , era 90's/ present &

The Casualties Genre (Hardcore/melodic hardcore) era 90's/present

In 1994 melodic hardcore hit the mainstream, and punk rock was being redefined by the majors as something more tame and accessible under the banner of Green Day & the Offspring. It was therefore refreshing when Epitaph Records actually signed a straight up hardcore act. Although their political lyrics where way too far out in left field for me, Pledge of Defiance was one gem of a hardcore album. Consequently, they were never able top it, and eventually took to a more conventional punk rock sound.

Riot City



Babylon



Suicide Mission



The Casualties

A band that features a singer who could probably challenge Shane Macgowen for the worst teeth in punk, other than that they've been cranking out a retro punk sound for a while now.

Unknown Soldier



WE ARE ALL WE HAVE



Under Attack

Never a big fan of deathcore either, but Ted Maul had a cool take on it, adding bits of electronica. Not that they really have anything to do with hardcore.

Cool Jungle track. I don't really know what it is about deathcore either. I think for me it's because a lot of it is influenced by the Gottenburg stuff that I was never big on, I'm just more of an American Death metal kind of guy I guess.

72. Propoghandi Genre (Melodic Hardcore) Manitoba Canada, era 90's, modern &

The Leather Uppers Genre (Punk Rock/Garage Punk) Ontario Canada, era 90's

So I guess this is where I drop my big Canadian bomb on the list, considering at some point and time this band surpassed DOA as Canada's most notable punk band.

For me though its really a no brainer, The Offspring & Pennywise have become more accesible to the general public than Black Flag & The Dead Kennedys, so it makes sense that Propoghandi would become more well known than DOA & No Means No. Not really a fan to be honest. I actually prefer every Canadian band on the list that came before them, but taking all bias out, they've written some quality songs, & I recognize their success.

Anyhow I guess that's it for Canadian & British lowbombs, though some US bombs are on the way, locked and loaded, so getting my flack jacket on.

Back to the Motor League



Haillie Sellasse Up Your Ass



Dear Coaches Corner



B]The Leather Uppers [/B]

I was going to had **** the Facts here, but I'm tired of all the dreary heavy stuff, I miss when punk was fun, so here is some uppers, the Leather Uppers!

She Digs Death (hmmm reminds me of my ex, Drusilla)



Riot at the nude beach



Hot Shot

I love the hardcore punk band StrungOut

oh and Wilhelm Scream (love that bass players licks)