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05-08-2013, 08:04 PM
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5. Converge, Genre (Mathcore/Metallic hardcore/hardcore/Post hardcore) Massachusetts era, 90's/present
I've never really cared for Converge myself, but every now and then a band comes along that completely changes the playing field & gains legendary status in the process. Converge are one of those bands, so I don't think I could make a credible list without putting them at least in the top 5. While typical metallic hardcore bands like Earth Crisis & Ringworm were chug chugging along with a stripped down metal sound, Converge delved into off beat time signatures that would eventually pave the way for bands like Dillinger Escape Plan, and although singer Jacob Bannon describes them as hardcore punk, for me their artiness is much more in the vein of post hardcore. Sadness Comes Home The Saddest Day Concubine |
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05-08-2013, 08:29 PM
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Ba and Be.
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You don't really like Converge but they should be in the top 5 because it's the done thing? I saw them live last year and they were ridiculously average. History or not if a band can't deliver then I have to question their inclusion.
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05-08-2013, 10:39 PM
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Fair enough, this was my post hardcore concession. I mentioned that I don't have an ear for progressive off beat rhythms in hard music. I like it electronic music & jazz, but it puts me off in metal & punk.
In many respects, Converge has been considered the leaders of the modern American hardcore scene for the last decade with Jane Doe continually being raved by music critics as one of the best metal/hardcore albums of all time, as well as praising virtually every other subsequent release. I really enjoy Converge's heavyness, and the fact that they haven't tried to fluff things up like Dillinger Escape Plan...but I just don't get why Jane Doe is considered a musical masterpiece. I feel that I just must be missing something with the off beat time signatures, and as they are so highly acclaimed and popular, I made a concession and put them in the top 5. |
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05-09-2013, 09:39 PM
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4. Gallows (With the Carter brothers!!!), Genre(Hardcore) London UK era, Modern
I think I need to be very specific here and state Gallows with the Carter brothers up to Frank Carter's departure, as the band seems to be attempting to hobble on without them, which they are completely in their right to do. Problem is, nobody cares. It would appear that the UK hardcore/punk movement is cursed, in that its musical leaders are ill fated to have short life spans. The Sex Pistols imploded, Discharge lost key members of the band and faded into obscurity, and now it appears that Gallows is headed on the same course. This band however is significant for two reasons, one they put a British stamp on a primarily American influenced UK hardcore revival, and second, they released arguably the best hardcore album of the modern era with Grey Britain. Say what you will about Converge's Jane Doe, but in my books, Grey Britain takes the cake as the best hardcore album of the 21st century. Hmmm, I should have put Hatebreed on the list. All right, that's it for modern bands, now it's just a blast from the past. Misery Queensbury Rules Staring At The Rude Bois |
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05-10-2013, 11:06 AM
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Boozy Lad
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Get in! As I said before, I was starting to worry when we didn't see them earlier, surprised they made it this high but definitely won't complain. Gallows came out at just the right time for me personally and luckily also in time to **** all over Enter Shikari and all their ilk. Orchestra of Wolves was what got me into hardcore in the first place. No question that Frank was crucial to them and for this age he can actually sing pretty well. I wanted to like the new album with Wade but it just wasn't the same. Probably the best of that album I thought, but they do seem on the out. Still, fair play if they can stick to their guns, they're not plummeting as much as Frank himself..Still, he did get a bit too much abuse for "selling out" or mellowing out. If he's happy now then fair play to him, no point hanging around and pretending to be angry just because a bunch of people in wife beaters or hoodies want you to be. I'm surprised you have no love for Orchestra of Wolves though? |
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05-10-2013, 11:47 PM
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3. The Dead Kennedys ,Genre (Hardcore) California USA era, 80's
The Dead Kennedys may not have been as heavy or as marketable as many other hardcore bands, but it doesn't matter... because they were better!!! Simply put, they were one of the most talented punk bands of their time, and their popularity was likely greater than any other American hardcore act until the onset of bands like Hatebreed. Yes, there were better singers than Jello Biafra, but Biafra brought the Charisma, and he had something that few other hardcore bands had, an amazing innovative guitarist, and one of the best rhythm sections in punk with Klaus Flouride & D.H. Peligro. In the end however, it was East Bay Ray's surf guitar in songs like Police Truck & Holiday in Cambodia that have produced arguably the most memorable 12 inch in the history of the punk underground. Police Truck Holiday in Cambodia Goons of Hazzard |
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05-11-2013, 10:08 PM
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2. The Clash ,Genre (Punk rock/Alternative) London UK era, 70's/80's
I had to think for some time as to whether or not The Clash should be on the list, as much of their later work falls out of the spectrum of punk rock. It also happens to be the stuff I like best, so here is the final reggea interlude & my personal favourite band on the list. One more Time Justice Tonight Red Angel Dragnet |
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05-12-2013, 05:42 AM
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Still sends his reguards.
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although i've never really liked the Clash....i can say that they would be in my top ten at l;east just because of who and what they were....also Dead Kennedys would easily be in my top five.....and props on putting Circle Jerks higher than Black Flag
 i promised my self i would recap for you when you got down to one....i just happens you caught me a bit delirious as i have just driven from Sacramento to Portland listening to nothing but Bauhaus and Tones on Tail Spoiler for the list:
i am very curious to see your number one.....and just to say personally i've already created a list of bands i feel should be on this list (obviously Quicksand is one of them )a great thread man and good times discussing these bands (it's sad looking back over the thread i can tell when i've been drinking and when i've been sober )....and even hearing some great new stuff....thank youseriously i raise a glass in toast well done |
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05-12-2013, 06:01 PM
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Do good.
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I absolutely love the Clash. I have tons of memories that are wrapped up in their songs. London Calling is probably the most important album of my life, as an it was my introduction to punk, and more broadly, to all "outsider" music. They have a lot of criminally under appreciated work. I'm glad you put them (rightfully) at #2.
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