It's funny to see Lard on here. I had "Forkboy" stuck in my head a couple days ago for no apparent reason.

I have to say this definitely wasn't how it was where I grew up. Maybe it's because of the rigid hardcore scene in my area (Boston), but out of all the punk and hardcore kids I hung out with, hardly any liked Ministry and even less liked anything else Wax Trax related. A lot of it seemed to stem from some weird hardcore Luddite anti anything remotely "electronic" attitude.

Tumour Circus now that's a name I haven't heard in years.

It was the same in my neighbourhood as well, Vancouver had a big industrial goth scene primarily because industrial powerhouses skinny Puppy & Front Line Assembly originated from the area, but there were divisions as well. Punk rock was more street, rough & tumble kids on skateboards, while the industrial music was considered more straight laced & reserved, ie, goth art kids. Boston is a very working class town so I can see the division there.

97. Conflict Genre (Anarcho punk/Hardcore) London UK , era 80's and

Antiproduct Genre (Anarcho punk/hardcore/crust) New York, USA, era 90's

Conflict

I have to say I'm not a huge fan of Anarcho punk, primarily because I don't like having radical politics preached to me, and in general, I find most anarcho punks to be narrow minded self righteous zealots who think they have the world figured out. That being said, I separate the music from the politics and I have always had a soft spot for Conflict.

Mighty and Superior



The Ungovernable Force (I've thrown the whole album up because each song flows into the next so it's hard to separate.)



Just Defy



Antiproduct

Antiproduct were a short lived, anarcho punk band from the 90's that featured dual male and female vocals that comes off sounding rather good together.

The Power of Medusa



The modern day F Word



It festers in their hearts

96. Nomeansno Genre (Post Hardcore) British Columbia Canada, era 80's 90's &

Alexisonfire Genre (Post Hardcore) Ontario, Canada, era, modern

For many people, most notably Dave Groll, this band would probably be in the top 10, but not for me. I've already mentioned I am not a fan of post hardcore, as I'm not fan of arty or avente guarde musical compisitions in hard music, though I should note there a few notable mathcore bands topping this list.

Nomeansno is considered one of the pioneers of post hardcore, their a local band for me to, I've throw up some of their more conventional songs, but if you are into the non conventional check them out.

It's Catching Up



Dad



Stop it




Alexisonfire

Adding now defunct Alexisonfire to the list. A nice straight laced band that made songs that got a lot of top 40 radio play.


The Northern

95. Catharsis Genre (Crust Punk) North Carolina USA, era 90's &

108 Genre (Hardcore/Post Hardcore) New York, USA, era 90's

Catharsis's work is considered groundbreaking and held in high esteem by many hardcore fans & critics. You can defiantly see how they laid some of the groundwork for blackened crust before disbanding into the abyss.

Sabbat



Choose Your Heaven



Every man for himself... and God against them all



108

Out of my sphere here, so I hope I pick some good tunes from the band. 108 were a popular vegan straight edge band from the 90's, who were also Hari Krishna. A good & heavy sound, but a bit of a post hardcore construct to their musical compositions, which was typical for the 90's. (Speed gave away to a slower more introspective sound)

Not to offend, I will be polite here, as I dig the straight edge, understand the vegan, but I never got the Hari Krishna? I'll just say... oi!?!

Woman



Artic



we walk through walls

i think that growing up in reno Nevada back in the late 80s early 90s and being "different" as in not a jock and or redneck...we basically all stuck together...but i do remember in 95 living with a group of punk kids and trying to make them listen to Skinny Puppy and just hearing whines about how un punk they were....stupid :)

i'm with you on most anarco punk kids and how ironically fascist they often are....and like you i have a huge soft spot for Conflict....esp. The Ungovernable Force and Employing All Means Necessary

it's funny i have never thought of NoMeansNo as post hardcore band....and after a little looking around i'm apparently in a major minority in this :)....still personally i love them

seriously nice to Catharsis on your list man....such a great and seemingly forgotten band....i had the chance to see them years ago but the show was actually cancelled after the lead sing of Gehenna stabbed an audience member....still a very memorable night! :)

also just want to say props to Wolfbrigade....another great example of Swedish crust....by chance have you heard the band Misantropic?

Sounds like we pretty much grew up in the same era, where I lived goth and punk were pretty much tied together as well, despite some divisions. Bands like Skinny Puppy & Ministry do come from a very different place than the Sex Pistols though, so I haven't included any industrial bands, save maby Rammstein.

On the anarcho punk thing, I think if someone wants to practice peaceful communal anarchism that is fine, but I have a problem with radical political ideologies that offer the hope of utopia, as they often operate on the same principles as a religous cult, drawing in the vunerable and turning them into politcal zealots. For me hardcore was about being an independent thinker and strong in the face of adversity, not a brainwashed lackey. The day it becomes cannon fodder for a political ideology, is the day I disown it.

The lead singer of Catharsis stabbed an audience member!?!...wow! I heard their shows were pretty intense, but that takes the cake. Thanks for the props on Wolfbrigade, geat band I had to stick them in. I haven't heard of Misantropic but i will be sure to check the out , cheers.

Ouch, Rammstein isn't even industrial.

94.Corporate Rock Genre (Metalcore/screamo) No Escape Planet Earth, era Modern

When I originally did this thread their was some concern that I added Killswitch Engage to the list, and while I still stand by adding Parkway Drive to the top 10, I must concer with the general consesus that these genres are suck!

Basically they're just watered down versions of punk & metal that are made safe for the mainstream, and while it didn't so much bother me when emocore was getting labelled as metal, my head almost exploded in a furry of rage the other day, when I saw that the record labels were trying to pass off Asking Alexandra as post hardcore!!!

That being said, record companies aren't stupid, their A&R guys are pretty good at out scouting at the talent, so here is some of my candy coated favs.

Bullet for My Valentine Genre (Metalcore) Wales, Uk, era Modern

Waking The Demon



All These Things I Hate



Black Veil Brides Genre (Screamo/Glam metal) California UK, era Modern

I had previously posted this song by the Towers of London, it's a shake n bake of Billy Idol, Motley Crue & Bon Jovi, and a huge commercial success. Sorry but I this song is absolutely brilliant & were due for a glam metal revival!

In the End



We Came As Romans Genre (Screamo) Michigan USA, era Modern

I don't pay much attention to top 40 music, so I don't know how popular these guys are, but I can see this song being played on a show like Vampire Diaries.

Hope





94. Killswitch Engage Genre (Metalcore) Massachusetts USA, era Modern

Probably the most successful metalcore band on the market, largely thanks to Howard Jones, one of the best vocalist on the hardcore scene, so I'm glad he's returned to his roots, just hope he uses that voice of his. Again a band that many would put in the top of their list, but for me, they are way too much of corporate metal band, so let's move onto something cooler.


The end of heartache



Hoy Diver



Rose Of Sharyn

I know, but they often get labelled as industrial metal, so just going with the flow. I am one of those people who think they are a hardcore band.

I liked them more a few years ago, but metalcore started boring the snot out of me a long time ago. I actually traded my copy of As Daylight Dies in at the local FYE and got Morbid Angel's Formulas Fatal to the Flesh instead. Their cover of "Holy Diver" was pretty awesome though, and the video is hilarious.

Killswitch Engage? I am seriously freaked out by their inclusion.

I really admire the dedication you have put into this thread but am seriously perturbed by the inclusion of this band.

lol, I'm trying to be inclusive, Howard Jones has a hardcore background...and yes I know its hard to defend...but they have written some really good corporate rock songs!

It can't all be Broken Bones & DRI now can it? We must speak to the...diversity of the hardcore universe...yes that's it.

If its any consellation the poser bands on this list are few and far between, and there nothing really worse than Killswitch Engage, maby one band on par and that's as bad as it gets. :yeah:

let me clarify my previous statement

Catharsis, Gehenna, and Fall Silent went on tour in 97 or 98 and the tour opened in Reno (two basically Reno bands)....the kids in Fall Silent had some problems with a militant straight edge group in town called Unconquered (some bullshit about selling out)...the Unconquered guys showed up in hockey masks with bats and blocked the doors to the club....Mike Cheese (lead singer of Gehenna) freaked out and threatened to kill them all (not an idle threat...that guy is seriously fucked in the head)....they left but one of them went back in to catch Catharsis....during the opening band (Fall Silent) he shouldered Mike....in return Mike stabbed him four times in the stomach and the place became one giant bloody fight

in short paid to see Catharsis, showed up to show and got involved in some absolute crap that has nothing at all to do with me....left with a swollen face

your list man....ramstein and engage and all

BUT

93!?

seriously your list has been great and i would have no complaints for your taste....cept maybe not including Quicksand :)...but Gorilla Biscuits at 93!? what the fuck!....every time i hear that horn intro my brain goes nuts....i literally cannot drive and listen to Start Today....i am at this exact moment listening to them....and have listened to that album twice tonight....while driving :)

again your list....and i seriously cannot wait to see your top ten.....93...wow :)

also which singer of Dag Nasty....i assume you mean Dave....and i can see your point about Civ sounding a bit like him

93?????

also just a side note in my opinion they wrote probably one of the greatest pro vegan songs ever.....just for the line

"i'm not trying to press my will
i'm not the first to say THOU SHALL NOT KILL!"

:
Lol, this is actually really good this happened, as I had my original 100, but started to second guess myself and move things around.

I orginally had Gorilla Biscuits a little higher & no Killswitch Engage, but I started second guessing. I was actually tempted to put Killswitch Engage ahead of Gorilla Biscuits just to see what would happen for a laugh...but thought better of it, lol :)

So consider Gorrila Biscuits moved back to were it was and if there is enough fury over Killswitch Engage being on the list I'll scrub them.
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Remember this was intended to be an interactive thread. for who am I to proclaim the greatest hardcore bands. So when people protest I move things, none of this don't get to precious over your own thread nonsense.

I am flattered though that people are following my thread, I orignally thought it was just going to be a loner show. So a few things to note, I do include some of those pesky emo metalcore bands, because despite popular myth, some of them are really good, and I have one topping the list, and although I didn't intend to low ball GB, there are some big names that are pretty low, so it should be noted that I've really lowballed a legendary California punk band at spot 91, so I'll deal with the flack when I get there

On Dag Nasty... Dave Smalley didn't much care for the other guy.

As for my top 10, I've got some Asking Alexandria, some Black Veil Brides, some Limp Biscuit...there a hardcore band right??? Man Its got me so pumped! I can't wait! :thumb:

In the meantime consider the below your new 93

93.The Adicts Genre (Punk rock) , Ipswich UK era 80's &

Vice Squad Genre (Punk Rock, Bristol UK, era 80's

The Adicts:

Popular British punk rock band that dressed sort of like the characters in A Clockwork Orange, a bit too quirky for me, but they had some good tunes.


Easy way out, va la Revolution,



Johnny was a soldier



Easy way out



Vice Squad

UK Female fronted pin up punk band of the 80's.

Last Rockers

^Ah, I love those guys. They actually wrote some great stuff that was really poppy too, like this:



And this:

92. Gang Green Genre (Hardcore/Crossover Thrash) Massachusetts USA, era 80's}

Scream Genre (Hardcore) Virginia USA, era 80's

People always talk about New York Hardcore, but Boston has been just a big a mecca for punk & hardcore over the years. Gang Green has been one of the more notable bands to come out of the Boston hardcore scene. We've already had a few bands from this area, so not the first, and defiantly not the last band on the list to come from the "State of Massuchesettes!"

Alcohol



Haunted House



Skate To Hell



Scream

Yes Dave Grohl was a drummer in this band. I noticed the view count spiked about a week ago, which means somehow everyone has figured out that I am covertly revamping the list.

I therefore have a favour to ask. I use to have a version of this song "Fight" that started with this guy talking to the band stating...

"Yeah, I like a lot of punk rock you know... Elvis Costello, The Clash, Duran Duran, Billy Idol. I got all the Cars records too. D'ya know sometimes when you guys play kinda fast... seems like it ain't go no beat, just ain't got no beat."

Does anyone know what album this version of the song is on. It is before the 90's, because for the life of me i can't find it. Lost gem.

Fight

Fixed your spelling of "Massachusetts" for you. Sorry, it's my home state. :)

lol no worries, I don't use spell check.

91. Bad Religion Genre (Melodic Hardcore/Punk rock) , California USA era 80's 90's/Present &

D.I. Genre (Punk Rock), California USA, era 80's, 90's

So here it is, probably the biggest low ball on my list considering they would be in the top 10 or 20 for many people. I concede that American Jesus is an amazing song, but overall I think that Bad Religion is the most overrated band in the history of punk rock. Simply put, I do not like this band.

Bad Religions rise to prominence took place in the 90's largely in part because of guitarist Brett Gurewitz ownership of Epitaph that spearheaded hardcore into a softer more commercially viable direction with the signing of The Offspring, and virtually every other notable melodic hardcore band of the 90's.

Instead of the Dead Kennedys, Black Flag & the Exploited we therefore got Bad Religion, The Offspring, Pennywise ect, and although I like the latter two bands, it really marked the taming of hardcore in my opinion.

Bad Religion themselves are remarkably soft sounding for a punk rock band, softer than The Clash in my opinion when you take their different era's into account. This wouldn't be a problem if they had a catalogue of great songs behind them, but unlike The Clash they do not. In short if you are going to tread close to U2, Coldplay territory, than you need to step up to the plate. They have not, and so here they sit at 91, back with the next ten in a bit.


American Jesus



Infected



**** You



D.I.

Okay editing the edit. I originally had Face to Face down, but I can't stand them, and I am running out of room, so I thought I'd stick a worthy band on the list that Bob has already mentioned. The D.I.'s sort of passed me by, though I had this song on....dating myself...cassette!

Ballroom Blitz

Taming says it, there is a certain period of time where all the following hardcore that was coming out started out promising, but they all just went downhill and followed the same similar path, and swept up the rest along with it.

a little harsh but i get what you're saying.....at first i was gonna come in all "come on man....Bad Religion" but too be honest i really only like three of their albums (Suffer, No Control, Against The Grain) and a handful of other tracks....although i do almost always check out their new releases....i see you're point but think you're over simplifying them a bit and i think that the fact that all of your examples are from their later "more toned down albums" tells me you just never really liked them....which i understand.....they are a love or hate band for sure.....

for me it is always about lyrics and lyrical content with this band....although i can't lie i do enjoy the melodic edge in their music.....but i honestly think there are few bands in the punk/hardcore umbrella that can compare to the intelligence in their lyrics....3 examples










seriously find me another band in any genre that uses the word "proliferation", sings songs about the power of entropy, and at the same time can write a brilliant line like "i'll believe in god when one and one are five" :)

It has to be said but I really fucking hate Bad Religion

I agree that they are the one of the most overrated punk bands. Not Sex Pistols-overrated, but up there.

Case in point, this fuckface thinks that they're the greatest punk band ever.
http://www.nndb.com/people/222/00009...ke-2-sized.jpg

This is the only song by them I ever really loved.

Bad Religion - Tiny Voices (with lyrics) - YouTube

who is that?

Fat Mike of this band


NOFX - I Gotta Pee - YouTube

One of those bands like Social Distortion that is very polarizing.

Thank you, okay lets rock.

90 .Strife Genre (Metallic Hardcore), California USA era Modern, 90's/Present and

Integrity Genre (Metallic Hardcore), Ohio, USA 90's/Present

While Earth Crisis was spearheading the Metallic Hardcore scene in New York, a better metallic band in my opinion was producing some good stuff on the other side of the country, so here I give you Strife. Amidst all the melodic hardcore, post hardcore & alternative rock, it was hard to find straight up hardcore in the 90's, but Strife was one of those bands that kept the genre going.

Blistered



Waiting



Torn Apart




Integrity

Allright another big name band that I originally left off the list as I could never really get into them, but apparently they were inspired by Septic Death, which isn't a bad thing. Anyhow I had know idea that they were still going strong, cudos to them!

Micha



Judgement Day

Oh hells naw! The Sex Pistols may not have been the best actual song writers in the history of music, but they were still amazing. The tension between Glenn Matlock's (**** Sid Vicious, the band was a parody when he joined) pop revivalist writing style with the sheer chaotic way they played and Johnny Rotten's non-singing and nihilistic lyrics was brilliant. They were right at the tipping point between redeeming rock and roll and killing it and I love them for it.

89. The Ghost of a Thousand Genre (Hardcore) Brighton UK , era Modern

Heights Genre (Hardcore/Post Hardcore) Hertfordshire UK, era Modern

Alongside Frank Carter's Gallows, The Ghost of a Thousand were key in spearheading the British hardcore revival, a bit of a lighter sound than the former band, but no knock on them, I personally thought they had the potential to become The Clash big, as they were great at incorporating melodies into their music.

Unfortunately they broke up sighting that it was difficult to commit to being a touring band, sadly it is much harder to survive as an underground act today in any genre, whether it be hardcore, rap, jazz, metal ect, than it was before the era of free downloading ( you really have to be on the road a lot to make up for the shorfall in record sales), so hopefully that's not the primary reason, it would be dire if it was. I'm happy to learn though that they've gotten back together for a few shows in support of Alexisonfire when they come to the UK, hopefully they will re-unite permanently!!!

Fed to the ocean



Black Art Number One



New Toy



Heights

Adding UK band Heights to the list, good vocalist...I think anyways.



Dead Ends

finally he gets into the glory days of Victory Records! :)

Strife is some damn good straight up hardcore....i was lucky to have caught them years ago with Integrity, Bloodlet and Deadguy.....insanely energetic live....great band....looking forward to seeing where the before mentioned bands and my personal favorite out of those days Snapcase land i your list :)

had never heard The Ghost of A Thousand....but i liked the tracks you posted....happen to be heading to the bay on Monday to catch Quicksand and buy records....gonna keep my eye out for them....thanks

Ah... I fear that you and I may be on the opposite sides of the hardcore pendulum my Quicksand loving friend. :)

It's weird but I've always found that there seems to be different brands of hardcore fans. For instance, you've got your GBH, Circle Jerks radioactive spikey hair mutant fans, & your Gorilla Biscuits Minor Threat, veggie eating, straigt edge, shaved head fans lol. I belong to the former crowd, which is why I want to make this an interactive thread, because musical taste is ultimately subjective, when I'm done if enough people provide their input at the end, I plan to overhaul the list & then cut and paste a new one as per MB member input.

You will be happy to know though that I have some Victory Record legends slated to be somewhere in the top 10-15 :) I hope it's a band you like, and that the list doesn't disapoint in general.

Finally, I think its important to state to everyone following this list that as a Canadian, I get a lot of British musical influence as well, so I am trying hard to straddle the line between the US & UK, while making room for Canadian bands, as well as some from other countries, so some bands like Integrity & TSOL got crowded out. Now with that out of the way lets rock on shall we.

88. Municipal Waste Genre (Crossover Thrash) Virginia USA, era Modern &

Code Orange Kids Genre (Hardcore) Pennsylvania USA, era Modern

Municipal Waste:

I am always a little suspicious of bands that put so much effort into good videos, because they can often trick you into thinking the music is better than it actually is. That being said, Municipal Waste is a great band, and they are currently considered the kings of the crossover thrash revival.

All things considered, it should be noted that there are two bands further down the road that are currently dueling it out for the modern crossover thrash crown, one leans to being more of a hardcore band, while the other is defiantly more of a metal act...so I shall see if I picked the right victor when we get there. In the meantime make sure you get the right answer!

Wrong Answer



You're Cut Off



The Art of Partying



Code Orange Kids

I can't really think of another modern crossover thrash band at the moment, but the Code Orange Kids are probably the best thing going right now in American hardcore, although I can't help but notice some odd time signatures in some of their songs. I wish American hardcore would shelve this longstanding trend, from Black Flag to Converge, to Dillinger Escape Plan, to Code Orange kids, on & on it goes.


My Body is a Well



Flowermouth

Municipal Waste constantly call themselves a Thrash band but I agree in that they sound far more Punk/Hardcore than Metal and despite their 'jock' attitude, they have made some decent tunes but not one really great album in my eyes. I got to see them last year and will be seeing them again this year and Thrash it is not!

Good call on Gang Green. I remember seeing them back in '89 in this tiny venue where the stage was basically just a 2 inch step above the floor and there was probably around 80 - 100 of us and the pit was amazing. Got my virgin black eye via a pit at this gig. They were supporting Meliah Rage if I remember rightly who were one of those second gen Thrash bands with a few good tunes but Gang Green was by far the better show.

It has to be said that Canada is my favourite country for music, punk or otherwise. Probably a Canadian bias, but whatever. Fucked Up and Comeback Kid who you already touched upon are great examples. Some other great ones are The Flatliners, Single Mothers, Propagandhi, Cursed, Cancer Bats, and the late Alexisonfire.

Well Alfred at least one of those bands are on the list, and there is more Canadian hardcore to come. I prefer the old school stuff though, as it tended to be little more obnoxious and rebellious.


A shiner at a Gang Green concert lol, why doesn't that suprise me, a great, but often forgotten band.

I agree with you on Municipal Waste, the first time I heard them they sounded like a DRI clone to me...just not as good, and there always toted as crossover kings. I haven't heard anything mind blowing from them either, I prefer Warbringer & Toxic Holocaust.

87. Refused Genre (Hardcore/Post hardcore) , Sweeden, era 90's &

The International Noise Conspiracy (Garage Punk) Sweeden, era 00's

Big name hardcore band of the 90's from Sweden, and probably the most popular hardcore act from Scandinavia to hit the shores of North America.

New Noise



Pump the brakes (not refused: homemade video)



Rather be dead



The International Noise Conspiracy

Throw some INC into the mix

Smash it Up