The great hardcore/punk countdown

William_the_Bloody · 01-30-2013, 08:19 PM

79. Discharge Genre (Hardcore/D beat) Stoke on Trent Uk, era 80's &

Lobotomia Genre (Hardcore/Crossover Thrash) Brazil, era 80's

Discharge:

Whenever you low ball one of the greats you usually have to provide some sort of explanation. I did put Discharge in the top 100, but for many this band should probably be in the top 20 considering the influence they had on bands like Metallica , Anthrax and the thrash metal scene in general. I do however have a good explanation that goes beyond saying I'm not a huge fan of their sound.

One notable difference between underground bands & mainstream bands is that the former is often plagued with line up changes, and when you lose a key member of your band, the chances of continuing as something legendary are often stacked against you. This is what happened with Discharge after Tony Bones left to form his own band, although Cal was important, it was Tony Bones who was really the matrix of the groups sound, and in my opinion, he is one of the better hardcore guitarist out there. It's a shame he left because afterwards he began to pursue a more aggressive grinding guitar sound, together he and Cal could have produced wonders, but they spit, and so here they sit well below GBH & the Exploited.

Protest & Survive

State Violence-State Control

Free Speech For The Dumb

Lobotomia

Lobotomia was a band from Brazil that was intitially inspired by early British hardcore, but eventually switched over to crossover thrash. I quite like them more than Ratos de Porao, and they released a new album a while back that doesn't sound too bad, I can't get individual tracks for upload though.

Só os Mortos Não Reclamam

Donos do Sistema / Mosh To Die

The More I See

bob. · 01-31-2013, 08:23 AM

hmmmm.....keeping my mouth shut about Gorilla Biscuits

but wow man.....i can see not really liking Discharge....although i'd disagree....but keeping in mind that an entire sub genre of punk rock "D Beat" comes from and is named after this band....i mean amazing bands like Anti Cimex, Misantropic, Doom, even Dropdead.....i'd even agree that Discharge had as much influence on early black metal as Bathory and Venom.....and probably influence those two bands

as always...your list you opinion....and cannot wait to see your top ten

i'll just say it now....i for one can't fucking stand the exploited....and blame them for "punker than thou" acts like rancid....

i feel you got great taste and can't wait to see where they are on the list

**Janszoon** · 01-31-2013, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

80. Gorilla Biscuits Genre (Melodic Hardcore/NYHC) New York USA , era 80's

Okay so here is where I originally had placed Gorilla Biscuits before I started tinkering around with things, I'm sure GB fans are still none to happy, lol, but I admit I did initially low ball them.

Anyways I stand by what I originally stated, One of New York's finest, that has been immortalized over the years. I think they were good but they only had one official full length album, had they stuck around and given us few more New Direction & Start Today songs they would be further up the list.

Ah, Gorilla Biscuits were the first hardcore band I ever got into. They'll always have a special place in my heart because of that.

bob. · 01-31-2013, 08:43 AM

^yep

1993 hanging out with my ex Michelle...she introduce me to here current boyfriend Eric Prater.....we chatted for a bit and he asked me if i like hardcore music....i stated of course and named of Helmet and Jesus Lizard.....he looked at me and handed me two albums saying "you have no idea what hardcore is. listen to these" one album was Uniform Choice's Screaming For Change and the other was Gorilla Biscuits's Start Today.....that horn into still puts me in a frenzy

**Janszoon** · 01-31-2013, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bob.

^yep

1993 hanging out with my ex Michelle...she introduce me to here current boyfriend Eric Prater.....we chatted for a bit and he asked me if i like hardcore music....i stated of course and named of Helmet and Jesus Lizard.....he looked at me and handed me two albums saying "you have no idea what hardcore is. listen to these" one album was Uniform Choice's Screaming For Change and the other was Gorilla Biscuits's Start Today.....that horn into still puts me in a frenzy

In my case it was my buddy Randy who introduced them to me sometime in 1991 or 1992, when I was a freshman in high school. It was a great little musical exchange we had going on—he was the punk kid and I was the "industrial" kid. He introduced me to Gorilla Biscuits, Fugazi and Black Flag. I introduced him to Ministry, PiL and Pigface.

It's funny how we all remember such specifics about how we got into bands when we were young. These days I can't remember where I first heard of a band most of the time it seems.

FRED HALE SR. · 01-31-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bob.

^yep

1993 hanging out with my ex Michelle...she introduce me to here current boyfriend Eric Prater.....we chatted for a bit and he asked me if i like hardcore music....i stated of course and named of Helmet and Jesus Lizard.....he looked at me and handed me two albums saying "you have no idea what hardcore is. listen to these" one album was Uniform Choice's Screaming For Change and the other was Gorilla Biscuits's Start Today.....that horn into still puts me in a frenzy

Uniform Choice was a revelation. I gotta say I'd have Discharge in my top ten easy. That snap crackle pop guitar sound, the earth shattering vocals and the amazing energy of their music was very powerful. More then any other d-beat band less Doom, Discharge really created something different and new, the way bands like Extreme Noise Terror did also. One of my favorite punk rock bands in general. Why is one of those albums that comes along that just bashes your head in and makes you see music in a different light. Interested to see where this thread goes also, WTB has done one hell of a good job even if Chaos UK and Discharge should be higher up in my opinion. Great thread.

Engine · 01-31-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

In my case it was my buddy Randy who introduced them to me sometime in 1991 or 1992, when I was a freshman in high school. It was a great little musical exchange we had going on—he was the punk kid and I was the "industrial" kid. He introduced me to Gorilla Biscuits, Fugazi and Black Flag. I introduced him to Ministry, PiL and Pigface.

It's funny how we all remember such specifics about how we got into bands when we were young. These days I can't remember where I first heard of a band most of the time it seems.

Well, pre-internet you used to have to put a lot more effort into discovering bands. More likely you happened to know somebody who puts you on to them.

My GB story is similar. A kid I knew asked me if I would drive him to a show they played in a suburban rec center outside of DC (also 91 or 92) because his parents wouldn't let him take their car. I had never heard them before. I still love Start Today and listen to it more than a lot of stuff from that time.

**Janszoon** · 01-31-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Engine

Well, pre-internet you used to have to put a lot more effort into discovering bands. More likely you happened to know somebody who puts you on to them.

My GB story is similar. A kid I knew asked me if I would drive him to a show they played in a suburban rec center outside of DC (also 91 or 92) because his parents wouldn't let him take their car. I had never heard them before. I still love Start Today and listen to it more than a lot of stuff from that time.

Same here. Honestly, "Start Today" in particular, and the album in general, is one of the best things in the world to listen to when you're feeling down or unmotivated.

William_the_Bloody · 02-01-2013, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Uniform Choice was a revelation. I gotta say I'd have Discharge in my top ten easy. That snap crackle pop guitar sound, the earth shattering vocals and the amazing energy of their music was very powerful. More then any other d-beat band less Doom, Discharge really created something different and new, the way bands like Extreme Noise Terror did also. One of my favorite punk rock bands in general. Why is one of those albums that comes along that just bashes your head in and makes you see music in a different light. Interested to see where this thread goes also, WTB has done one hell of a good job even if Chaos UK and Discharge should be higher up in my opinion. Great thread.

Well if its any conselation, there is another band coming up with a former Discharge member in it, though you may have to wait awhile.

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Originally Posted by bob.

hmmmm.....keeping my mouth shut about Gorilla Biscuits

but wow man.....i can see not really liking Discharge....although i'd disagree....but keeping in mind that an entire sub genre of punk rock "D Beat" comes from and is named after this band....i mean amazing bands like Anti Cimex, Misantropic, Doom, even Dropdead.....i'd even agree that Discharge had as much influence on early black metal as Bathory and Venom.....and probably influence those two bands

as always...your list you opinion....and cannot wait to see your top ten

i'll just say it now....i for one can't fucking stand the exploited....and blame them for "punker than thou" acts like rancid....

i feel you got great taste and can't wait to see where they are on the list

Egads! you don't like The Exploited or Rancid! "Can you fly Bobby!" jk

I wonder if anyone will catch where that quote is from. I don't know how people will take my top 10, honestly I think most people will be disapointed, its a little unorthodox, I'm also still working on whose in & whose out of it, a little ways away yet.

Anyways it appears I've survived the Discharge, but not the Gorilla Biscuits onslaught. So I know I've said this a thousand times but if enough people put their input in at the end, I'll revamp the list according to MB members. Anyways time for some grind.

William_the_Bloody · 02-01-2013, 12:45 AM

78. Terrorizer Genre (Grindcore), California USA era 80's
Pig Destroyer Genre (Grindcore), Virginia USA, era Modern

I mentioned in passing that we may see Pig Destroyer again, as I didn't give them a fair shake, and sort of stuck them below Brutal Truth hoping no one would notice. I must confess that I've always held a thinly veiled prejudice against grindcore, in that I've always viewed it as punk's poor man's version of Death Metal, even though grind came first, it defiantly got superseeded by the latter. To me death metal is more technically interesting, although I know many grind fans would disagree, preferring the raw brutality it has to offer

That being said, there are some talented grindcore bands that have turned the genre into a perfected art, and so I give you the best of American grind, Terrorizer & Pig Destroyer, and a shot out to Assuck who didn't make the list. Next up....more grind!!!

Terrorizer

Fear of Napalm

Hordes Of Zombies

Corporation Pull-In

Pig Destroyer

The Diplomat

Loathsome

Naked Trees

01-30-2013, 08:19 PM	#181 (permalink)
William_the_Bloody Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sunnydale Cemetary Posts: 2,093	79. Discharge Genre (Hardcore/D beat) Stoke on Trent Uk, era 80's & Lobotomia Genre (Hardcore/Crossover Thrash) Brazil, era 80's Discharge: Whenever you low ball one of the greats you usually have to provide some sort of explanation. I did put Discharge in the top 100, but for many this band should probably be in the top 20 considering the influence they had on bands like Metallica , Anthrax and the thrash metal scene in general. I do however have a good explanation that goes beyond saying I'm not a huge fan of their sound. One notable difference between underground bands & mainstream bands is that the former is often plagued with line up changes, and when you lose a key member of your band, the chances of continuing as something legendary are often stacked against you. This is what happened with Discharge after Tony Bones left to form his own band, although Cal was important, it was Tony Bones who was really the matrix of the groups sound, and in my opinion, he is one of the better hardcore guitarist out there. It's a shame he left because afterwards he began to pursue a more aggressive grinding guitar sound, together he and Cal could have produced wonders, but they spit, and so here they sit well below GBH & the Exploited. Protest & Survive State Violence-State Control Free Speech For The Dumb Lobotomia Lobotomia was a band from Brazil that was intitially inspired by early British hardcore, but eventually switched over to crossover thrash. I quite like them more than Ratos de Porao, and they released a new album a while back that doesn't sound too bad, I can't get individual tracks for upload though. Só os Mortos Não Reclamam Donos do Sistema / Mosh To Die The More I See Last edited by William_the_Bloody; 07-24-2013 at 05:47 PM.

01-31-2013, 08:23 AM	#182 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	hmmmm.....keeping my mouth shut about Gorilla Biscuits but wow man.....i can see not really liking Discharge....although i'd disagree....but keeping in mind that an entire sub genre of punk rock "D Beat" comes from and is named after this band....i mean amazing bands like Anti Cimex, Misantropic, Doom, even Dropdead.....i'd even agree that Discharge had as much influence on early black metal as Bathory and Venom.....and probably influence those two bands as always...your list you opinion....and cannot wait to see your top ten i'll just say it now....i for one can't fucking stand the exploited....and blame them for "punker than thou" acts like rancid.... i feel you got great taste and can't wait to see where they are on the list __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

01-31-2013, 08:43 AM	#184 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	^yep 1993 hanging out with my ex Michelle...she introduce me to here current boyfriend Eric Prater.....we chatted for a bit and he asked me if i like hardcore music....i stated of course and named of Helmet and Jesus Lizard.....he looked at me and handed me two albums saying "you have no idea what hardcore is. listen to these" one album was Uniform Choice's Screaming For Change and the other was Gorilla Biscuits's Start Today.....that horn into still puts me in a frenzy __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

02-01-2013, 12:45 AM	#190 (permalink)
William_the_Bloody Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sunnydale Cemetary Posts: 2,093	78. Terrorizer Genre (Grindcore), California USA era 80's Pig Destroyer Genre (Grindcore), Virginia USA, era Modern I mentioned in passing that we may see Pig Destroyer again, as I didn't give them a fair shake, and sort of stuck them below Brutal Truth hoping no one would notice. I must confess that I've always held a thinly veiled prejudice against grindcore, in that I've always viewed it as punk's poor man's version of Death Metal, even though grind came first, it defiantly got superseeded by the latter. To me death metal is more technically interesting, although I know many grind fans would disagree, preferring the raw brutality it has to offer That being said, there are some talented grindcore bands that have turned the genre into a perfected art, and so I give you the best of American grind, Terrorizer & Pig Destroyer, and a shot out to Assuck who didn't make the list. Next up....more grind!!! Terrorizer Fear of Napalm Hordes Of Zombies Corporation Pull-In Pig Destroyer The Diplomat Loathsome Naked Trees