Sparky

Are you asking are those genres equally self absorbed? I'd say yes. Are you saying they are a continuation of punk? I'd agree with that too.

Maybe we should talk about every single genre in this "what is punk" thread. Trip-Hop is another new genre, maybe they all wear glow in the dark bracelets together, point is, they aren't preaching "anarchy" or trying to expel their frustration over a uniform society.

FRED HALE SR.

Not all punks are either. That was my point its a generalization that all punks are apt to partake in anarchy and wear bondage pants while fighting the man.

bob.

i would think if you really looked into it....you would find that 90% of the people who are into punk music primarily wear jeans and a t-shirt....usually with a band on it....usually a punk band

not that what you wear really has anything to do with anything....but i feel like porn shop owners in the 70s and in all honesty the media created this idea of the punk "fashion"....which if you look around has seeped into popular fashion a lot

and as with any music scene some people will take their fashion to an extreme....but most are fairly toned down

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Newkie

Exactly. There are some quality punk bands who are classics in the genre who don't want the state to burn. They just want to have fun, or they're pissed off girls keep ignoring them. It's like saying everyone in hip hop wants to smack some girl around.

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Sparky

It really is. I made a generalization. However, a lot of people who associate themselves as punks exemplify the simple mindedness that the foundation of the genre seemed to go against. That's why Surrell called it ironic, and that's why i chimed in that it peeved me.

Not all people who listen to country are rednecks(though if i wasn't feeling pressured to be unbiased I'd say they were, all christian anyway) and not all people who like hip hop are gangsters. Neither of those genres (mentioned because they were brought up prior) do much do disassociate the audience from others the way punk music does, IMO.

hip hop bunny hop

When I think of someone who self-describes as punk, what pops into mind is a terribly contrived person. They get their fashion, politics, spirituality, etc... all from their favorite bands.

They grew up without any feeling of culture. Whether it's because they rejected society, or - more likely - they were picked on or somehow feel victimized & find out there's others who will be their friends if they, essentially, give up who they are & are willing to swallow the party (punk?) line.

It is, most certainly, NOT about rebellion. Phil Vane discussed this:

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This is why punk scenes are filled with petty dictators....

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bob.

i could not agree more....by far some of the most fascist people i've ever met were anti-fascist punk kids

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FRED HALE SR.

I haven't really encountered this all that much, save shows in Huntington Beach.

bob.

it was pretty bad in both Baltimore and Minneapolis....but as mention in the bunnys post....it really had more to do with the "crust" anarcho kids and their morals

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FRED HALE SR.

I realize the crust movement was one of the defining genres that fit the stereotype, but i recall even being in crust crowds you had to separate the idiots from the general population just like everything else. Point taken though both for Sparky and HHBH.

As you said earlier there was always more people wearing jeans and a tshirt then fitting the stereotype. And I found there was always more people living life then passing morals off on other people. Comes down to who you surround yourself with me thinks.