They were really good until I discovered bands like Teenage Bottlerocket who play essentially the same music but faster, catchier, and with better production.

And this somehow suddenly made the Ramones bad?

The thing I always liked about the Ramones was you knew it was them the second one of their songs starts because they had such a unique sound.

Most modern punk leaves me cold because I can listen to 100 different bands and barely tell any difference between them.

No, it made them dated.

Well, not to harp on this, but I still can't see how dated = bad.
You're the one who said they "were really good" after all. Good music gets aged, of course, but does it become bad because of that?
(hint: No, it doesn't.)

TB is a crap band, saw them live. They sucked.

Edit: Yes I enjoyed them a lot, but I discovered newer bands that I thought did that 3-chord pop punk sound better, so I listened to them instead.

I saw them live and I thought they put on one of the most fun sets I've seen, so as far as I'm concerned, you're wrong. :finger:

granted that they remade their first four albums over a course of 30 years, but they were great four albums, darnit!

They played average pop-punk music like 99% of all fat Wreck bands, and had no stage presence.. I thought they put on a really boring show.

If you're expecting more, you're doing it wrong. Their music is fun and catchy, there's nothing more to it than that; or The Ramones for that matter.

They were pretty energetic when I saw them, worked the crowd well and all.

No, I kept the first album. It's alright.

Good. It's essential.

100%....ALL is literally all of Decendents but without Milo (the Scott Reynolds years are my favorite) i love both ALL and Decendents

i agree with this.....the only other band i thing that falls into this is another band that seems to be constantly in this same argument....Bad Religion...i love it when people tell me how much they hate Bad Religion 2 seconds after each song starts :)

absolutely not :)....i do agree with the comments about Ramones clone bands in many ways destroying the appeal....but i don't think that has anything to do with the Ramones....i mean i like both Screeching Weasel and The Queers....both of which at least at some point in their careers sound so much like Ramones its annoying.....but i blame the bands not the influence

personally i think everything up to and including End Of The Century is essential :)

Dang just the other day I was listening to the Descendents 'Somery' and there was a guitar riff on there that Green Day had totally stolen for one of their hit singles.

Well I could go and find the Green Day song, but I don't want to subject myself to listening to their 'music' (I despise that band immensely. )

show me the Descendents link. I am sure I can figure out the Green Day song if that is the case.

I'm pretty sure it was 'clean sheets'

Anyhow in the end it doesn't really matter because of the preponderance of evidence of other rip-age:

I Never Realized How Much Green Day Ripped Off Other Bands Until Their Game Came Out

but really in their defense, virtually ever band has ripped off each other if you are just going by a riff here and there.

This is so true in pop-punk when it comes to riffs and chord progressions that it isn't even worth mentioning.

thirded

didn't The Jam and The Clash get into a major tussle over a riff?

Are you joking? You're joking right?? If not you are THE biggest oxymoron... You probably love cheese but hate milk; or love swimming.but hate showering or rather beat off than get laid... ****ing moron!! Anyone w/ anything disrespectful to say about the Ramones is not only NOT a punk rocker but also a waste of life.

Mgk

f u c k the ramones

welcome to musicbanter

Could you define "oxymoron" please?

An oximoron is someone who falls for all of Billy Mays's claims.

:laughing:

God damn it

wtf mgk haz bops

Plus, he bops Megan Fox every weekend.

I knew ur elitist azz wud come for my meta music taste :( I like everything regardless of talent or meaning I know tha greats like Debris' and The Seeds and idk Madball or whatever the frick u like but can I not just get down to some pseudo-Blink 182 jams from the modern era without being dragged down to the pits of hell by the goth bud I thought was my best friend on the site and yet my worst enemy, my nemesis the one who always drags my techno god status and site edgelord persona :(((

Elph :love: Madball

Move over Lebanon Hanover you have some competition in the goth scene

Then don't feed me

I ain't trollin that I like some MGK tho haha

MGK vs. UGK vs. MK?

Who you got?

MK being who again?

But obvs UGK by far

Definitely Mortal Kombat.

Marc Kinchen, better known as MK, American DJ and producer.

Ah apparently I've heard this one before and didn't realize MK was behind it

Yup - that song and every MK remix of it is absolutely classic. Killer track.

Personally, this is my go to MK remix of the track:



And of course, you can't forget about Mufasa:



And speaking of Mufasa and the popularity that the video generated, Nightcrawlers actually managed to get him to appear on an official collab recently, which is dope as hell.



I guess you could say, the song has a storied history, and MK has just been one of the driving forces.

Love the Idiot now.... but back then he was not on earth very often....


Much Better with his old band...still chaos though, part of the Punk charm..

I know I'm a dork for correcting a 10 year old post, but Fat Mike is NOFX, not Anti-Flag.