^Nope, got no problem with that. They really are nothing special, sure innovative(ish) for the time, but looking at them from today's perspective their music is just kind of boring and the lyrics are stupid.

They have one song and I don't really like it.

Everyone talks about really sloppy punk bands, but I honestly can't name very many (noteworthy) bands that sound (unintentionally) flat-out bad, as far as musicianship goes. At least not on record. Live... well that's a different story.

Maybe I'm desensitized to sloppiness, I dunno.

Flipper's Generic did this in places but it turned out ****ing great.

Flipper weren't unintentionally bad, it was all pretty much intentional, especially on Generic Flipper.

Flipper sits just outside punk rock....and pisses on it

Many people I know IRL have listened to Flipper because of my negging and consider them unintentionally bad but I spose I am just blowing this out of my ass. Whether I am unintentionally or intentionally blowing it out of my ass could also be up for debate.

I think everyone here knows which band I will nominate everyday of my life and that will never change.

Exploited? I seem to remember you hating them.

Would that be the Dead Kennedys?

I know I f*cking hate them.

That goes for the Anti Nowhere League too.

Oh and anything under the label of Oi.

^ditto

although i will say that at time Anti Nowhere League gets a few laughs for their incredibly crass lyrics (ie woman and so what)

but i could never understand the appeal of Exploited and or Wattie (sp?...not even worth looking up) he falls in the same lines of Tim Armstrong for me....trying way to hard to be the poster boy for punk rock....uuuhhhggg!

as for Oi....i feel like there was this brief time in the late 90s when the neo nazi skin thing was kind of dying out (at least in reno).....and the punk scene here was fucking flooded with this "traditional" skin bullshit....which i feel is not much different at all....save one group openly liked swastikas and the other behind closed doors.....still just brute music for brute mentality....lost a few friends during this period

I'm kind of more drawn to the intellectual art school side of punk rather than a bunch of thug like football chanting style punk.

Everyone was just so enamored of the uniform and the archetypal image it seemed to exude that post-adolescent boys would do anything to keep their Doc Martens laced and their heads freshly shaved, and their bomber jackets on while vehemently denying the implication that they might be a racist. It went so far as the SHARP movement (SkinHeads Against Racial Predjudice) which to me was nothing more than a bunch of whiney white kids struggling to justify their own outdated image.

I don't know you but I don't like you already.

Aw, but I like their song. Especially when they do it like this:

I Don't Care


Also, it's kind of unfair to compare them to the likes of The Clash and punk rock that came later because they swear that when they started in the mid-70s they were only making a trashy version of 1960s bubblegum pop.

No. Green Day. Not a big fan of The Exploited but their 82 album Streets Of Tomorrow is much less Oi and more Hardcore and I quite like it.

As for Dead Kennedy's they don't really do a lot for me either although I like Biafra's work with Lard.

Agreed. It is absolutely beyond my comprehension why Bad Religion does not get more credit and are not more well known. I'm a progressive rock fan by nature, but Bad Religion is absolutely one of my favorite bands. Not only have they not ever released a truly bad album, but they are certainly one of the most prolific bands in punk, starting in 81 and releasing albums at regular intervals since 1988.

i also really hate punk bands with a socio-political agenda, especially when the lyrics are pretty bad at getting the point across, like Crass

generally, i hate bad socio-political lyrics e.g. Manic Street Preachers

i think the ones that sound reasonable, or at the very least they're unintelligible when i listen to it, are Napalm Death

do not get the people who bitch and complain about a bigger band opening for a band (like the Bad Religion and Against Me thing here)

they do it because it gets more people in to see them, more people do not wanna be late, so will go see the opening band... but if you put them on after, people will just leave after they see the band they like, no matter how big they are. So better to have Bad Religion open for Against Me, as it guarentees more people will watch.

BTW I like the Dead Kennedys especially the debut album, the post was a guess at somebody else`s possible choice.

bob. said:

I like Oi! It punk without any pretensions.

satchmo said:

Firstly, anyone who bases their life on music is contrived and annoying. Punk, however, is filled with these *******s - whether it's kids with Mohawks and leather jackets (even though they lack a motorcycle) as though it's '79, or whether it's a Skinhead pretending that it's the late 60s.

Crust punks, however, are the absolute worse.

Presumably he doesn't like bands who are offensive for the sake of being punk.

Me neither.

I like a lot of the artier bands that punk and hardcore have to offer, but I'm not opposed to a band who just likes to make fast, angry, passionate music. It's when they cross the line and become about machismo and 'toughness' that it offends me. That attitude, in my opinion, has no place in the punk scene.

On that note, here are some more bands I think are awful:




edit: this may actually be the worst band to be at all associated with punk

I can't stand hatebreed. I can't believe they ever got the chance to tour with the deftones.

Personally, I prefer to think of them as hardcore, not nearly worthy enough for the punk title.

Does anyone actually call Hatebreed punk? I mean, I wouldn't really call them hardcore, either...

I remember in high school, 'I Will Be Heard' was like THE anthem for all the ~misunderstood~ kids. I never got it. I feel like every Hatebreed song sounds EXACTLY the same. Slightly different lyrical similes that all mean the exact same thing.

I saw Sick Of It All once. Their live presentation seriously made me want to die. But then I'm not a huge fan of the whole "lead singer stands on the monitor and tells everyone to GET THAT ****IN' MOSHPIT GOIN' RIGHT ****IN' NOW MOTHER****ERS" schtick.

hardcore = punk.

Doesn't have to be.

Starting in the late 80s/early 90s I think hardcore evolved in a direction so far removed from its punk origins that it had become a distinct style of music and no longer simply a type of punk.

Anti-Flag

Tied between Green Day and Blink 182.

Those guys are horrible rip-offs of the Descendents, whom I love.

^you should add the band ALL to that little list....they completely rip off Decendents

:)

I just deleted a bunch of Ramones from my library after going on a small punk binge and realizing how awful they are

i always find the Ramones as one of those bands that i can handle for a couple hours spread out through the year.....but i really enjoy those hours

I always say "if you don't understand the Ramones, I don't understand you".

I probably haven't listened to The Ramones in 2 years at least. Newer bands make them redundant and obsolete.

I do not know one song by either of these bands that sounds like The Descendents.

isn't All just a new version of the Descendants? they retain some of the original members...

or are you just trying to be sarcastic?

yeah, All was Descendents minus Milo.

sarcasm is correct.

Goddamn I wish people would stop talking shit about Ramones. I hope you didn't delete all of yours.

I fully admit to only really liking their first 2 albums (I also have a soft spot for Brain Drain) and the rest is probably not worth much because it's so unvaried but fuck me, kids, they were a good band.