POP/PUNK is dead

Forward To Death · 10-08-2012, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Euronomus

Good riddance, I know this thread is aimed more at the "scene" than it is at the music but straight up punk is some of them most uninteresting, uninspired, simplistic, and downright lazy music ever made. No doubt punk has inspired a good deal of great music, but most of that music takes a small nugget of punks overall aesthetic and avoids the boring songwriting, lazy playing, and self-centered nihilistic attitudes that define punk music. As far as the scene itself goes, punk did bring about some good, namely D.I.Y. in art, but overall it's mostly a bunch of ignorant college dropouts spewing half baked ideas devoid of any real substance.

P.s. I'm seriously not trying to troll-it just bugs me that somehow people put punk up on this pedestal as some kind of intellectual movement based around a good music scene when I see it as the exact opposite.

What would you consider to be intelligent/good music?

Neapolitan · 10-08-2012, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

What would you consider to be intelligent/good music?

Post-Punk

~~surfhard~~ · 10-08-2012, 07:17 AM

pft punk is alive and well

~~surfhard~~ · 10-08-2012, 07:21 AM

Punk happened because people like Joey Ramone, Television , Deb Harry etc etc all turned up and felt the mood. Punk isn't generational it's greed.

true punk is like dave warner from the suburbs the pistols and souxie are a product just as fake as duran duran.

REAL punk went un noticed...as much as I hate to say it Lou Reed is real punk

Euronomus · 10-08-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

What would you consider to be intelligent/good music?

That's not really the point, there are plenty of styles that I don't think are good that I can still somewhat respect- pop country, nu-metal, power metal, and so on. In fact I think the only other style I view with the same disdain is the rap scene that's been so popular for the last few years- Lil' Wayne, solja boy, t-pain... I'm not dissing punk music because it's not to my liking, my complaint is about "musicians" being lazy, doing the absolute minimum they can to get by, not learning their instruments, and just plain not striving to create something deeper and more complex than the same 3 chord verse\chorus\verse song over and over again.

Just so no-one thinks I'm dodging your question, a short unordered and incomplete list of my personal favorites:Godspeed You! Black emperor, the Mars Volta, Converge(a perfect example of a punk influenced band that brings in more musicianship and thoughtfulness), Chelsea Wolfe, Neurosis, Grizzly Bear, Kayo Dot, Other Lives, Mr Gnome, Owen Pallet, Rose Kemp, Nine Inch Nails, Yakuza, Yeasayer

bander · 10-09-2012, 02:28 AM

Pop punk still lives, you just have to seek bands abroad...europe and such...EMA nominee Trash Candy are good, catchy...

Isbjørn · 10-09-2012, 03:06 AM

Pop/punk is dead? Really?
There is:

Green Day
Sum 41
Blink-182
Mayday Parade
Boys Like Girls
Fall Out Boy
Simple Plan
NOFX

and they're all freaking awesome, so I don't think pop/punk is dead.

Isbjørn · 10-09-2012, 03:21 AM

Punk isn't dead. It's changing.
Acts like The Clash, Sex Pistols and Dead Kennedys aren't playing anymore, but punk has inspired pop groups like Sum 41, Green Day, Simple Plan, My Chemical Romance, Blink-182 and NOFX.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 10-09-2012, 03:25 AM

I am so sick of threads like these. How can a genre be dead when people are still making music for it? Duh....

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-09-2012, 05:03 AM

Genres don't die they just become irrelevant.

In punk-pop's case it always has been.

10-09-2012, 03:25 AM	#99 (permalink)
Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,181	I am so sick of threads like these. How can a genre be dead when people are still making music for it? Duh.... __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots

10-09-2012, 05:03 AM	#100 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Genres don't die they just become irrelevant. In punk-pop's case it always has been. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

10-08-2012, 07:17 AM	#93 (permalink)
~~surfhard~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 10	pft punk is alive and well

10-08-2012, 07:21 AM	#94 (permalink)
~~surfhard~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 10	Punk happened because people like Joey Ramone, Television , Deb Harry etc etc all turned up and felt the mood. Punk isn't generational it's greed. true punk is like dave warner from the suburbs the pistols and souxie are a product just as fake as duran duran. REAL punk went un noticed...as much as I hate to say it Lou Reed is real punk

10-09-2012, 02:28 AM	#96 (permalink)
bander Groupie Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1	Pop punk still lives, you just have to seek bands abroad...europe and such...EMA nominee Trash Candy are good, catchy...

10-09-2012, 03:06 AM	#97 (permalink)
Isbjørn cooler commie than elph Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: In a hole, help Posts: 2,811	Pop/punk is dead? Really? There is: Green Day Sum 41 Blink-182 Mayday Parade Boys Like Girls Fall Out Boy Simple Plan NOFX and they're all freaking awesome, so I don't think pop/punk is dead.

10-09-2012, 03:21 AM	#98 (permalink)
Isbjørn cooler commie than elph Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: In a hole, help Posts: 2,811	Punk isn't dead. It's changing. Acts like The Clash, Sex Pistols and Dead Kennedys aren't playing anymore, but punk has inspired pop groups like Sum 41, Green Day, Simple Plan, My Chemical Romance, Blink-182 and NOFX.