someonecompletelyrandom

Yeah, I put Mexican at first But I didn't think i actually posted it. He is Asian, it was my mistake, I was thinking of the wrong one. Doesn't really matter though? The lyrics seem equally as offensive to both.

And stop trying to trump the discussion by saying things like "thanks for playing." That's coming off as really condescending.

FRED HALE SR.

Yeah

someonecompletelyrandom

Touché

FRED HALE SR.

Just yanking your chain a bit Mr Slater. I understand why people find skrewdriver unappealing and hateful, it was just my intention to understand how lyrical content can be so different just because of ideology behind it. Nothing more just that, and i had to get a touche outta ya. Ok i'm done i am closing the book on skrewdriver and can now say this thread will never be graced by me ever again.

hip hop bunny hop

First, thanks to everyone who contributed a constructive reply.

Secondly, some minorities do listen to and appreciate Skrewdrivers overtly racist material; the S. Korean band Samchung covered a song from this era of Skrewdriver.

When judging art, I tend to favor content over biography when critiquing, but not to the complete exclusion of biography. Granted, this shouldn't always be the case, but I firmly stand behind O. Wilde's statement that biography is the lowest form of criticism, particularly in regards to contempory art.

Agreed, the intent of these artists (SOD & Skrewdriver) is different, and that intent is important; but when people rail against post-1st album Skrewdriver because of the lyrical content, state their admiration for SOD and then proclaim the 1st album & prior Skrewdriver material acceptable, there appears to be a lack of continuity.

Why? Because the intent of Skrewdriver did not change; but their method of presenting themselves (primarily) lyrically did. So to draw a line in the sand, and proclaim this Skrewdriver ok & this Skrewdriver bad because of "racially offensive lyrical content", and then proclaim S.O.D. acceptable because of the difference of intent.... that's inconsistent.

Now, I'm all for some measured inconsistency, but when people blithely present themselves as morally superior because they don't listen to album X or band Y and then present an ill conceived argument as to why.... it's annoys me, quite a lot.

This is a difficult statement. I agree that in most cases popular public opinion has little resonance in the culture of underground music; however, there is group think in the underground, and certain popular cultural ideals remain cherished holy cows in the underground.

I'd like to discuss this later, as I don't think a thread on Skrewdriver is an appropriate venue, and (more importantly) I've yet to clearly make sense of it to myself. But there is a weird phenomenon wherein persons such as Buzz find it acceptable to listen to Burzum but not Skrewdriver... and I don't get it.

Urban Hat€monger ?

Can someone change this stupid thread title.

I really like being a part of a forum where a National Front supporting band is considered to have a 'bold vision'

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someonecompletelyrandom

I agree, request granted.

Revolutionarypunk

**** skrewdriver; hate is not cool; hate sucks, hip hop bunny hop and all other nazis and white supremists, I hate you, and hope you die.

I hate racism.

Metal Connoisseur

I'd argue that corporate america are the real welfare leeches. With all the tax breaks and subsidies instituted by YOUR conservative government, millionaire and billionaire CEO's pay less in taxes than their secretaries. This sort of economics is effectively ruining the middle class in this country and if the Bush era tax cuts stay in effect, we can expect this recession to last even longer than it already has.

Furthermore, the more divisive the Tea Party gets within the Republican party, pushing away Eisenhower Republicans and moderate Republicans, the chances of producing a viable candidate to run against Obama decrease more and more.