Skrewdriver

dankrsta · 03-06-2011, 07:32 PM

Thank you Engine. I was just about to ask OP if this thread is about Skrewdriver, the band or neo-nazi political propaganda. There is already a thread on this band that is now locked because it escalated into political flaming. The music section of the forum is not the place for that. There's no problem in discussing Nazi bands from musical and cultural perspective, but it becomes a problem when it's done for political propaganda. And the opening post very much looks like that.

Mojo · 03-06-2011, 07:32 PM

Thats quite a lengthy write-up.

So, what do Skrewdriver sound like?

Engine · 03-06-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

aww shucks, i bet you wouldn't say that if he came out celebrating crass

If he did in the same way he wants to celebrate Skrewdriver (i.e. a bunch of provocative political rhetoric about Crass's "Bold Vision") then you'd lose that bet.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 03-06-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

So, what do Skrewdriver sound like?

"Kill Da ******s" "Kill da jews"...

Seriously, though, what most Nazi bands sound like, bad punk. Problem is, these bands are obviously agenda first, and music second. I've never heard an openly Nazi band that was anything apart from sloppy punk. I've heard tons of excellent bands utilize racist, and fascist lyrics for tongue-in-check value(ala Stormtroopers of Death. Obviously not Nazi with Scott Ian being a Jew, and in the very obviously openly liberal Anthrax), but never have I heard a Nazi band that was anything apart from sloppy punk as a ploy to spout racist nonsense.

I believe in freedom of speech. If a Nazi band is a legit good band, they do deserve credit for it just as any non-racist band of equal quality. Just doesn't seem to happen though.

Engine · 03-06-2011, 07:59 PM

Actually, as much as I want this thread to be obliterated, I kind of like Skrewdriver musically. That's one reason I'm annoyed, there's no talking about them without obsessively praising or denouncing some political ideology.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 03-06-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Engine

Actually, as much as I want this thread to be obliterated, I kind of like Skrewdriver musically. That's one reason I'm annoyed, there's no talking about them without obsessively praising or denouncing some political ideology.

True, but it seems that's the only purpose of this guy posting. I mean, his picture is a black guy with guns, he's posting nothing but the genius of white supremacists, and his name is something like "Hip Hop Bunny Bop". I'm 99% sure that he's trying to sneak a "Jungle Bunny" reference there.

I'm guessing he's a troll who is finding this hilarious.

hip hop bunny hop · 03-06-2011, 11:23 PM

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If he did in the same way he wants to celebrate Skrewdriver (i.e. a bunch of provocative political rhetoric about Crass's "Bold Vision") then you'd lose that bet.

http://www.musicbanter.com/punk/1072...ict-crass.html - wherein the O.P. dedicates the thread to what band got the message out better, Crass or Conflict. :P

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Seriously, though, what most Nazi bands sound like, bad punk. Problem is, these bands are obviously agenda first, and music second. I've never heard an openly Nazi band that was anything apart from sloppy punk.

Skrewdriver were an acclaimed band in their early line up; they even had the honor of recording a Peel Session. So, yes, the music has been qualified as good by cultural partisans; it was only after they went in a right wing direction that people went suddenly decided they were crap. Look up the track "Voice of Britain" if you want a good sample of their sound.

Anyways, if by "NAZI" you mean openly Eurocentric, then you're missing out on a lot of music. Boyd Rice's avant garde industrial music has been celebrated world wide, and he's recently made a go at some spokenword pieces - and he appeared on the show "Race & Reason" . There's a load of extreme metal bands that have this ideology; Burzum, Arghoslent, Graveland, Vaginal Jesus, etc. Death in June have collaborated with the aforementioned Boyd Rice, and have been restricted by "hate speech" laws in the past, despite the groups leader being a homosexual.

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True, but it seems that's the only purpose of this guy posting. I mean, his picture is a black guy with guns, he's posting nothing but the genius of white supremacists, and his name is something like "Hip Hop Bunny Bop". I'm 99% sure that he's trying to sneak a "Jungle Bunny" reference there.

The picture is of Eazy-E. He's dead from the AIDs, but he was the "gangsta" in NWA and had a rather succesful solo career. "Hip Hop Bunny Hop" is a film reference.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 03-07-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Zionism is truly hilarious. Just ask Palestinians.

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Buzzov*en · 03-07-2011, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

aww shucks, i bet you wouldn't say that if he came out celebrating crass

Crass does not promote white power. Huge difference.

Engine · 03-07-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

http://www.musicbanter.com/punk/1072...ict-crass.html - wherein the O.P. dedicates the thread to what band got the message out better, Crass or Conflict. :P

I tend to skip the This Band vs. That Band polls. Still, I think that the original post in that thread ..

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Originally Posted by pmorr

Well I've been having this debate alot lately?

Conflict and Crass, basically the same message.

Although.

Conflict, lyrics are more aggresive and seem to get what they want done through violence.

and Crass, which has been called the hippies of punk by many, lyrics have more of a hold up a sign and protest way of getting the message across.

I've kept my mouth shut on this debate and these ideas arent mine, they are of friends, but anyway I have decided to keep my mouth shut till I'm convince on one band thouroughly.

Anyway who'm do you prefer and who'm gets the message across better, Conflict or Crass?

..is decidedly less politically charged and biased than this:

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

When Skrewdriver went political in the 1980s, they were swimming against the current. Punk was in a bad way; Leftism had become the standard political current, and Pinkos weren't just allowed in the scene, they were prominent. Intellectual degeneration had set in to such an extreme degree that Crass were considered intelligent.

But where bands like Crass got it wrong, Skrewdriver was right. They not only correctly diagnosed Communism as an evil ideology, one which resulted in nearly 100 million deaths in the 20th century alone, but they also saw that it was at an end point. And right they were; the Berlin wall came down. The Vietnamese started manufacturing Nikes. Even Raul Castro has admitted that planned economics is a failure.

Then there's the palliative from the 70s, multiculturalism. Throughout the 80s and 90s the world was inundated with nonsense regarding cultural relativism. Not only was no culture better than any other, but it was immoral for a nation to ask that immigrants adopt the culture of the nation they've moved to. Whether it be 9/11, Theo Van Gogh's assassination, the riots, murders and attempted assassination regarding a comic strip, or the blood on the streets in Teheran - this God of the Left has surely failed.

The Anarchist & Socialist dreams of the Hippie Punks have been consigned to the dustbin of history. History has proven these bands who were praised for being intelligent were idiotic. They have been shown to be the apologists for an ideology that has killed more than any other.

Perhaps what's most relevant to Skrewdrivers message is their stance against welfare leeches. Once again, Ian was right; the only thing those scumbags do is bleed the nation dry.

So, as the world's largest nation is getting set to kick Obama & the Lefties out, I say let's toast Skrewdriver - may we get a Government that'd make Ian Donaldson proud in 2012.

Anyway, fuck this thread and your right wing proselytizing.

03-06-2011, 07:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
dankrsta ... Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,776	Thank you Engine. I was just about to ask OP if this thread is about Skrewdriver, the band or neo-nazi political propaganda. There is already a thread on this band that is now locked because it escalated into political flaming. The music section of the forum is not the place for that. There's no problem in discussing Nazi bands from musical and cultural perspective, but it becomes a problem when it's done for political propaganda. And the opening post very much looks like that. __________________ Last.fm

03-06-2011, 07:32 PM	#12 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Thats quite a lengthy write-up. So, what do Skrewdriver sound like? __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

03-06-2011, 07:59 PM	#15 (permalink)
Engine air quote Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pollen & mold Posts: 3,108	Actually, as much as I want this thread to be obliterated, I kind of like Skrewdriver musically. That's one reason I'm annoyed, there's no talking about them without obsessively praising or denouncing some political ideology. __________________ Like an arrow, I was only passing through.