Crossover thrash appreciation thread
 

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How am I supposed to contribute when you mention Suicidal Tendencies in the first post? :p:

One of the first bands to blend hardcore punk and thrash, “Speak English Or Die” is often regarded as a classic for thrashers, speedsters and crossover lovers and rightfully so.


Starting out as pretty much a pure hardcore punk band on their first EP and evolving into more of a hybrid the name Fearless Iranians From Hell alone just screams for attention and is based around a satirical take on modern politics taken from an Islamic extremist/terrorist point of view. Crossover thrash that was truly meant to provoke and offend. I couldn’t find anything from their “Holy War” album so the relentless opener to “Die For Allah” will just have to do…


Perhaps leaning a bit more to the metal side of things as far as crossover bands go these guys were full of raw energy and sick riffs that any self-respecting thrasher should find almost impossible to not bang their head to. “Game Over” is ridiculously good.


Crossover full of sarcasm, provocation and dark humour a la the almighty Pete Steele. “Jesus Hitler” has without a doubt some of the funniest lyrics in metal and though as thrashy as can be still has slower Sabbath-y type passages reminiscent of Pete’s later work with Type O Negative…

“Hear me my fellow Nazolics
Come join the Neotheofacists
Keep der race pure practice eugenics
And swear to the holy swazafix

I have returned
Reich und Roll!”



Ignore the later garbage these guys spewed out, Prong were once a quality thrash crossover band.

Prong are still damn quality :(

From 2007:


They had more in common with Hardcore than straight Punk which is essentially what Crossover is. An amalgamation of Hardcore and Thrash and not neccessarily Punk.

I have plenty to add.


Despite the distinctly metal cover that the band hated, Immaculate Deception is a bona fide classic.


Posted this one just a few days ago. Even the album cover is the epitome of the scene although die hard fans hated the fact that the band incorporated Thrash influences from this album onwards.


Beast on my back is another phenomenal album with a huge melting pot of ideas. A piano opening track? It works and this band deserved a lot more kudos.


Mucky Pup were a band that were a little more humorous than many of their counterparts but they had some great riffs.


Despite a huge similarity to an Exodus track (know which one?) AF are absolute legends.

A special mention should got to Void who were one of the first bands to marry these genres even if it was primitive. Are they a Punk band or are they Metal?

I was eagerly awaiting what you had to say on the topic. Hardcore/Thrash (or 'crossover') is some of my favorite music from those years too.

Maybe that's not the best example but I really truly love those horribly drawn cartoony album covers.

The Void I know is most definitely strictly Hardcore (harDCore in fact - maybe all those bands were a little metal). But I'm only talking about their split LP with the band Faith. I heard Void made some other 'more metal' album but I haven't heard it.

Here's my contribution..

CoC were a great band as well as the first two Cro Mags albums. Void made an E.P 'Potion For Bad Dreams' which was never officially released that is well worth checking out and adds credence to the Metal crossover sound I mentioned.

O wow - do you have it? I know it wasn't released by Dischord - other than that I have only heard legends..

Of course I do! PM on way.

Wow - that's great. I had heard the name of the band before but never listened. Quality!

^^Glad you like it! They really never seemed to garner the attention they deserved…

I think this might be the one you're referring to...



That main riff does sound EXTREMELY similar at least..

siekiera is good

Carnivore is a band I have mixed feelings about. The lyrics are fun and I like their anti-hippie agenda, but the musicianship bores me. Mediocre riffs stretched out for a minute too long, and a rhythm section that doesn't seem to do anything interesting... Steele's vocal stylings certainly don't help either.

Cryptic Slaughter's out put is uneven, but when they're on it's fantastic. Fast, decent riffs, and an excellent sense of rhythm.

^! There's everything I like about the subgenre: metal meets hardcore seamlessly (heavy on the hardcore) and excellent cover artwork.

How far back does crossover go?

More than just the term, I mean.

early-1980s A.D.

I was a big fan of Suicidal Tendencies, Prong and S.O.D. back in the day, great stuff. 'You Can't Bring Me Down' is sofa king awesome. That's probably the song and video that got me into them, actually...ahh the memories. I never really explored too much else from the genre, though, but I am familiar with most of the names. Corrosion of Conformity was another one I listened to, but they were kind of hit or miss for me. I'll check out some of these vids later.

Cryptic Slaughter are fairly influential, or so it seems. The way the songs go from fast to faster than hell, with short listenable sections.... it seems to be the same formula Napam Death used on Scum.

Are there any current crossover bands, or are the new bands who play in the style now called "Powerviolence'?

PV is completely distinct from crossover, PV evolved out of the fast hardcore (thrashcore) of stuff like early DRI, siege, capitalist casualties, etc., but it uses more extreme tempo, generally: really fast hardcore alternating with sludge metal (instead of the mid-tempo thrash metal elements of crossover), essentially, and a lot of PV also uses noise elements. i'm guessing the confusion arises mainly because bands like DRI and cryptic slaughter put out both crossover thrash and thrashcore material, and because early PV is generally closer to thrashcore than newer PV is. and that isn't even touching on the ideological differences between PV and crossover, which are pretty big.

so in short, no, modern crossover bands aren't called powerviolence... at least not by those who understand both. the simplest way to put it is that PV is more extreme than crossover. its more similar to grindcore. best i illustrate by example i suppose, you just have to listen to it and you figure it out.

modern PV


modern crossover (which i am somewhat less familiar with than PV so excuse the uninspired example)

Municipal Waste is fantastic! They have some east coast dates coming up.. definitely check them out.

Toxic Holocaust are crossover? They're just another band reviving the sound of metal on the cusp of the extreme take over; the sound of early Sodom, in other words.

I always thought that Municipal Waste classed themselves as old school Thrash, at least in the video interviews I have of them although that is academic because I think they are derivative beyond belief.

seeing D.R.I. in september.

Maybe I'm a curmudgeon but I don't like revivals of old metal.
I like my thrash to be an honest product of the 1980s. I can't blame a new band for wanting to play thrash/crossover but I have no interest in listening to it - the original ones produced plenty.

I played in Fearless… if you give Die For Allah a good listen then listen to the first Minor Threat albums you’ll see a lot similarities cause when we were practicing the drummer and I would play Minor Threat unceasingly. Even Holy War, the album after, still held on to that mentality