right wing punk?

Kamikazi Kat · 02-27-2010, 04:58 PM

Ugh... Reading through people's opinions in this thread and I'm disappointed in a lot of people's opinions, they strike me as close-minded.

I say the political views of a band shouldn't matter. Sure, they can be a part of what makes that band them, or be something recognizable in a genre. But I don't like looking at it as a standard.

Most of the time when I think of punk, I think of loud, passionate and fast music that tends to have anti-establishment, individualistic and DIY views. If a band comes along and has a quality that differs from that set of associations, I don't see why it shouldn't be considered punk, because it's not like you can prove that "true punk" has to have any of those qualities. I guess you could call it "punk with right wing political views," if you want to describe what it's like.

Shoe · 02-28-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kamikazi Kat

Ugh... Reading through people's opinions in this thread and I'm disappointed in a lot of people's opinions, they strike me as close-minded.

I say the political views of a band shouldn't matter. Sure, they can be a part of what makes that band them, or be something recognizable in a genre. But I don't like looking at it as a standard.

Most of the time when I think of punk, I think of loud, passionate and fast music that tends to have anti-establishment, individualistic and DIY views. If a band comes along and has a quality that differs from that set of associations, I don't see why it shouldn't be considered punk, because it's not like you can prove that "true punk" has to have any of those qualities. I guess you could call it "punk with right wing political views," if you want to describe what it's like.

I agree with this. People try so hard to fit genres and labels ect but Punk is more about the sound to me than the attitude. At least in most cases. Of course, I'm not the biggest expert on punk so I'm sure I couldn't back up much that I say about it.
Just love my Clash.

Kamikazi Kat · 03-01-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoe

I agree with this. People try so hard to fit genres and labels ect but Punk is more about the sound to me than the attitude. At least in most cases. Of course, I'm not the biggest expert on punk so I'm sure I couldn't back up much that I say about it.
Just love my Clash.

It can be about the attitude. It depends on the individual. For some people, they like their punk with a certain attitude. Some like the style, ect.

Or in duga's case, racism or bigotry in music ruins it for him. That's why it's subjective.

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Agreed.

I find myself feeling like a bit of a hypocrite posting the things I have in this thread...and I struggle to find the right argument to get my point across.

Music should be an honest and free expression of the artist, but I can't support racist music. I can't seem to put it into words just the way I want to, but I find singing about mystical "evil" and devil worshiping to be completely different from singing about beating someone of a different ethnicity. The difference being, if someone went out to worship the devil...whatever. If you believe in hell, fine. They are still not hurting anyone else.

Someone could leave a show by the Angry Aryans and actually go and try to find someone to beat the **** out of, which has been known to happen after shows with music like that. This is not what music should be.

Regarding violent attitudes and lyrical content, it really depends on how it's being expressed.

For example, a lot of metal bands have violent or disturbing lyrics. I know that many of them aren't actually going to go out and do those things, they are just expressing a human emotion we can all relate to: anger.

Although there are exceptions. I'm sure a band that calls themselves "right wing punk" actually agrees with the right wing themes expressed in their lyrics.

asshat · 03-02-2010, 11:07 AM

Nobody here is asking for the Angry Aryans to be censored or think they don't have the right to their opinion....they just think their brand of music is retarded and offensive.

fairborn420 · 03-03-2010, 07:50 PM

I still say that being offended is a choice. I think its ridiculous for some white kid to clain to be offended by racial remarks against blacks. Also, how can another persons opinion offend you? I dont get that. I dont support racism of any kind and Im not taking up for this band, Ive actually never listened to them, but they dont offend me in the slightest. Also, have you ever listened to rap lyrics. They call themselves by the same names that this punk band uses and alot of time they talk negativley about whites. Does that offend anyone?

asshat · 03-04-2010, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by fairborn420

I still say that being offended is a choice. I think its ridiculous for some white kid to clain to be offended by racial remarks against blacks. Also, how can another persons opinion offend you? I dont get that. I dont support racism of any kind and Im not taking up for this band, Ive actually never listened to them, but they dont offend me in the slightest. Also, have you ever listened to rap lyrics. They call themselves by the same names that this punk band uses and alot of time they talk negativley about whites. Does that offend anyone?

Words by themselves are meaningless, but the context is important. Black people can use those words because they're black themselves, and they probably don't mean it in a derogatory sense. A band that calls themselves the Angry Aryans probably does. Anyone who can't spot the difference is retarded.(If whites were a minority, I'd feel a bit more threatened by the anti-white stuff).

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-04-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by fairborn420

I still say that being offended is a choice. I think its ridiculous for some white kid to clain to be offended by racial remarks against blacks. Also, how can another persons opinion offend you?

Is the very real fear of seeing a family member in hospital due to someone expressing hateful words a choice too?
I'm not offended by someone's opinion. I'm concerned about the effect they have on weak minded thugs looking for a fight.

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I dont get that. I dont support racism of any kind and Im not taking up for this band, Ive actually never listened to them, but they dont offend me in the slightest.

Well that's good, but then I guess you have nothing to fear from the crap they spout.
I do however and that's why i'm concerned.

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Also, have you ever listened to rap lyrics. They call themselves by the same names that this punk band uses and alot of time they talk negativley about whites. Does that offend anyone?

It doesn't offend me no, but that's not to say it's right.

fairborn420 · 03-05-2010, 03:07 PM

To say that you might be more concerned with rap lyrics if whites were a minority is bizarre. Racism is racism. No matter where it comes from or what group its directed towards. I dont listen to this particular band. Not because they offend me but I just have no interest in listening to those types of lyrics. The same reason i dont listen to certain rap music. Im just curious as to why there is so much concern over one group who spouts racism toward blacks but zero concern over the many many rap groups that spout racism toward whites? Why does there seem to be this "double standard"? Is it ok to entice violence against a group of people only if they are a majority?

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Kamikazi Kat Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 329	Ugh... Reading through people's opinions in this thread and I'm disappointed in a lot of people's opinions, they strike me as close-minded. I say the political views of a band shouldn't matter. Sure, they can be a part of what makes that band them, or be something recognizable in a genre. But I don't like looking at it as a standard. Most of the time when I think of punk, I think of loud, passionate and fast music that tends to have anti-establishment, individualistic and DIY views. If a band comes along and has a quality that differs from that set of associations, I don't see why it shouldn't be considered punk, because it's not like you can prove that "true punk" has to have any of those qualities. I guess you could call it "punk with right wing political views," if you want to describe what it's like.

03-03-2010, 07:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
fairborn420 Groupie Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 16	I still say that being offended is a choice. I think its ridiculous for some white kid to clain to be offended by racial remarks against blacks. Also, how can another persons opinion offend you? I dont get that. I dont support racism of any kind and Im not taking up for this band, Ive actually never listened to them, but they dont offend me in the slightest. Also, have you ever listened to rap lyrics. They call themselves by the same names that this punk band uses and alot of time they talk negativley about whites. Does that offend anyone?

03-05-2010, 03:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
fairborn420 Groupie Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 16	To say that you might be more concerned with rap lyrics if whites were a minority is bizarre. Racism is racism. No matter where it comes from or what group its directed towards. I dont listen to this particular band. Not because they offend me but I just have no interest in listening to those types of lyrics. The same reason i dont listen to certain rap music. Im just curious as to why there is so much concern over one group who spouts racism toward blacks but zero concern over the many many rap groups that spout racism toward whites? Why does there seem to be this "double standard"? Is it ok to entice violence against a group of people only if they are a majority?