right wing punk?

trouserjazz · 02-03-2010, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by almauro

That's the kind of BS progressives use to keep lower classes under their control. It reinforces a belief that poor people can't accomplish anything without a handout. Furthermore, once the government creates a program to dispense aid to the poor, the poor became their customers, therefore big government wants them to remain poor, because if the don't, they cease being customers, and big government is out of business. The Progressive's net effect is to create a class of people that are dependant and poor. Vertical class movement has never been accomplished by such socialist government intervention and redistribution of weath. The laissez-faire regime, which you seem to be at odds with, is what destroys these social barriers and rewards people for their hard work, innovation and ideas, not the color of their skin, their sociological and religious beliefs, or the size of their bank account.

Ridiculous post.

Why would a government, liberal or not want to create a class dependant on state handouts.

A laissez faire regime doesnt actually help the poor in society whatsoever. It never has and never will. With lack of restrictions on buisness the larger companies would create monopolies reducing competition reducing competion and driving up prices.

Whats more without employment law safeguarding the rights of the workers the large comperations would be free to abuse the working class therefore ubjecting them to low wages and bad conditions.

Laissez faire economics has ben a disaster whenever it has been tried, trust me I have a degree in History. It has pretty much ruined the U.S economy olnce more under Bush.

The fact im seeing Obama being called a communist on the news at the moment shows how far gone the American public is. Posts like yours are so far away from reality its scary.

How normal people vote and actively support something that is so far from their own interests. The U.K isnt that much better but I dread the day we turn into mindless zombies like a good proportian of Americans.

almauro · 02-03-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by trouserjazz

Ridiculous post.

Why would a government, liberal or not want to create a class dependant on state handouts.

Holy Effin Crap. Are you naive? VOTES!!!

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Originally Posted by trouserjazz

A laissez faire regime doesnt actually help the poor in society whatsoever. It never has and never will. With lack of restrictions on buisness the larger companies would create monopolies reducing competition reducing competion and driving up prices.

Whats more without employment law safeguarding the rights of the workers the large comperations would be free to abuse the working class therefore ubjecting them to low wages and bad conditions.

Laissez faire economics has ben a disaster whenever it has been tried, trust me I have a degree in History. It has pretty much ruined the U.S economy olnce more under Bush.

Capitalism my not be perfect, but without it's rise and the industrial revolution, the vast majority of us would still be BLEEPING PEASANTS!

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Originally Posted by trouserjazz

The fact im seeing Obama being called a communist on the news at the moment shows how far gone the American public is. Posts like yours are so far away from reality its scary.

How normal people vote and actively support something that is so far from their own interests. The U.K isnt that much better but I dread the day we turn into mindless zombies like a good proportian of Americans.

It's been well documented that the vast majority of news coverage regarding Obama has been extremely positive, and he wasn't very will vetted by the press. Consequently us American's are witnessing his inexperience as he fails get anything passed into law. The conservatives are standing up to his agenda, out-witting his incompetent appointees at every corner, and like"punks", are spitting and stomping on his agenda. That's all eyes sayin.

hip hop bunny hop · 02-03-2010, 03:13 PM

As far as I see, (conservative) punk isn't about screaming about deregulation. It's about getting harassed by cops, thrown in prison, - discussing real issues that affect you.

Also, it's about what you do correct the situation, like stomping hippie scum.

Punk is, most definitely, not hippies beating on Bongo's talking about protesting the plight of Peruvian Transvestites.

Violent & Funky · 02-03-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by trouserjazz

I have a degree in History. It has pretty much ruined the U.S economy olnce more under Bush.

If you have a history degree then why do you think we had a laissez-faire economy under Bush? LOL!

trouserjazz · 02-03-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

If you have a history degree then why do you think we had a laissez-faire economy under Bush? LOL!

Major tax breaks for the rich would suggest a laissez faire approach.

I'm not well versed in Bush's domestic policy and as Bush was in power as I did my degree he was not covered.

meh cant be bothered discussing politics on here either, it does nothing but stress me out.

Violent & Funky · 02-03-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by trouserjazz

Major tax breaks for the rich would suggest a laissez faire approach.

I'm not well versed in Bush's domestic policy and as Bush was in power as I did my degree he was not covered.

meh cant be bothered discussing politics on here either, it does nothing but stress me out.

Giving out tax breaks doesn't even come close to creating a true laissez-faire economy...

Engine · 02-03-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

As far as I see, (conservative) punk isn't about screaming about deregulation. It's about getting harassed by cops, thrown in prison, - discussing real issues that affect you.

I wish you would just say exactly what you mean by 'right wing punk'. From the songs you've posted I assume that you're talking about Nazi/National Socialism stuff. I honestly wanna know if I'm misinterpreting.

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Also, it's about what you do correct the situation, like stomping hippie scum.

haha..what? Beating up hippies is how you stand up to bully cops?

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Punk is, most definitely, not hippies beating on Bongo's talking about protesting the plight of Peruvian Transvestites.

On this we can agree

hip hop bunny hop · 02-04-2010, 02:51 PM

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I wish you would just say exactly what you mean by 'right wing punk'. From the songs you've posted I assume that you're talking about Nazi/National Socialism stuff. I honestly wanna know if I'm misinterpreting.

??? Special Duties are not NS. I don't think they even associated with any RAC bands. Warfare 88 & Forward Area, on the split I referenced in the OP, comes closest to discussing race on the track "Illegal Aliens", but even then it doesn't single out wetbacks.

That being stated, I'd call White Power/NAZI punk bands right-wing, so I suppose you can include them in this category, but they're not the only bands up for the discussion.

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To expand, and give you an idea....

Samchung are a far-right Korean band. Their name itself is a reference to the re-education centers maintained by a rather unpopular dictator of the past. Are they NAZI or White Pride punks? Of course not, but they still qualify.

Sniper are a far-right wing Finnish band. They have a song entitled "White Racist Christ", which should give you an idea of their ideology. They qualify.

See?

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haha..what? Beating up hippies is how you stand up to bully cops?

It's one method, that's for sure.

Engine · 02-04-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

??? Special Duties are not NS. I don't think they even associated with any RAC bands. Warfare 88 & Forward Area, on the split I referenced in the OP, comes closest to discussing race on the track "Illegal Aliens", but even then it doesn't single out wetbacks.

That being stated, I'd call White Power/NAZI punk bands right-wing, so I suppose you can include them in this category, but they're not the only bands up for the discussion.

(EDIT)

To expand, and give you an idea....

Samchung are a far-right Korean band. Their name itself is a reference to the re-education centers maintained by a rather unpopular dictator of the past. Are they NAZI or White Pride punks? Of course not, but they still qualify.

Sniper are a far-right wing Finnish band. They have a song entitled "White Racist Christ", which should give you an idea of their ideology. They qualify.

See?

Yes, I'm starting to get it. As for Special Duties - I had never heard of them before so I was only talking about the others, and not the lyrics to those particular songs but just their association with the NS and WP movements in general.
And thanks for responding, I wasn't trying to goad you into making racist statements or anything (but you did it anyway). In fact, I believe that you have the right to hate whoever you want to hate for whatever reason.
However..now I've got a new question. When I asked if beating hippies was your way of standing up to cops you replied with..

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It's one method, that's for sure.

So, again...what the fuck? What does one thing have to do with the other?
I don't believe punks have the right to stomp on hippies no matter how scummy they are. If cops are "harassing" you by throwing you in jail for stomping on people, well.. that's their job really. And people shouldn't get stomped on just for being a hippie. So another serious question is: Why do you stomp on hippies? How does that 'correct the situation'?

~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 02-05-2010, 04:46 AM

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hip hop bunny hop Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,381	As far as I see, (conservative) punk isn't about screaming about deregulation. It's about getting harassed by cops, thrown in prison, - discussing real issues that affect you. Also, it's about what you do correct the situation, like stomping hippie scum. Punk is, most definitely, not hippies beating on Bongo's talking about protesting the plight of Peruvian Transvestites.

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