right wing punk?

Violent & Funky · 01-25-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

The sad tuba has spoken.

Second window, please drive through.

AMURIKAH!!!1!

duga · 01-25-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

Haha that's simply not true anymore...

how so?

my take on the american political system is that it has become a joke of itself simply because people calling themselves republicans are ridiculously conservative while people calling themselves democrats are ridiculously liberal.

you have yet to change my opinion on this.

Violent & Funky · 01-26-2010, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by duga

how so?

my take on the american political system is that it has become a joke of itself simply because people calling themselves republicans are ridiculously conservative while people calling themselves democrats are ridiculously liberal.

you have yet to change my opinion on this.

Basically, the definitions of liberal and conservative break down like this:

liberalism: the belief in the importance of individual freedom.

conservatism: the belief in the need for natural law.

Personally, I don't view either the Democratic or Republican parties as purely embodying one of the above definitions in the simplest form. I actually don't see either party as a truly liberal party. In my opinion, both modern parties believe that the only way to fix a problem is with government action, and the only disagreement is with how the funds to support such an action should be financed. Neither political party takes a hard stance on anything because they are always trying to please everyone, which I understand makes sense because that is how a two-party system is set up to work. Personally, I would love to see a multi-party system in the United States, but I digress...

PosterBoxx · 01-26-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by million dollar basher

I've seen quite a few posts suggesting that punk artists tend to lean left, at least for the most part, and I disagree with some confidence. Some may claim that they endorse and embrace leftist ideology, but isn't one of the most prominent themes in punk the incompetent and sinister nature of government and the forces that try to stifle creativity and individualism? Though right-wingers tend to sympathize with this view, it's an issue that really crosses party lines, isn't it? I think that punk music, by and large, is a medium that, theoretically, allows artists to demonstrate social ills and injustice wherever they may find it. It(punk) does not, or should not rather, adhere to a set of strict political views. At that point it ceases to be punk, which is in all rights a very individualist movement. In fact, at that point it ceases to be music, or an abstract expression of anything other than some sad brand of politics. Personally, I think this thread is self-defeating.

Well said.

It's also true that the punk movement grew out of a disdain for progressiveness and liberalism. Punks are more "conservative" in their thinking than most people care to believe. They like small government, are often anti-this or anti-that, want to be left alone, and cling to their ska and guns. What truly separates punks from political conservatives is the adherence to that other form of control and governance....religion.

I know plenty of punks who believe in God and are great husbands and fathers for it, but they adamantly despise the institutions of "church" and "religion".

...but that's a topic for another day.

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PosterBoxx · 01-26-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

Basically, the definitions of liberal and conservative break down like this:

liberalism: the belief in the importance of individual freedom.

conservatism: the belief in the need for natural law.

Actually, I have to disagree. The belief in the importance of individual freedom is actually a "libertarian" mantra, not a "liberal" mantra. There was once a time when "liberal" mean what you said until politicians corrupted hippies with art grants and turned them into lobbyist.

"Progressives" have taken over the liberal arms of both the Democratic and Republican parties. True liberalism is on its last leg.

Conservatives come in all shapes and sizes. You have social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, environmental conservatives, etc.

If I had to lay down a quick comparative definition between liberals and conservatives, I'd have to say this:

Today's Liberal: They don't care if you believe in anything, or what you believe in, as long as you contribute through government for the benefit of social management.

Today's Conservative: More "punk" than ever and buying ammo in bulk.

LOL.

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trouserjazz · 02-02-2010, 01:30 PM

Wow some peoples perceptions of the political spectrum are insane.

Also to suggrst the democratic party of America is too far to the left is quite frankly laughable. They are a centre right party with the Republicans on the lunatic side of the right wing spectrum.

almauro · 02-02-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PosterBoxx

Today's Conservative: More "punk" than ever and buying ammo in bulk. LOL.
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Nice joke about the ammo, but very true that conservatives are today's punks. Liberalism today is dominated by leftist progressives that desire to control every aspect of human behavior until we're all locked up in cages, or attached to something like the Matrix. Conservatives are fearless believers of individual freedom, which is a radical thought to these progressives who fear human nature. Conservatives are the ones saying "F_uck Off" and are trying to prevent this government take over of our lives, and if need be, inject a little anarchy in the democratic process to halt this big government agenda in it's tracks. Sorry if I digressed from the topic, but I think it be cool to see some sort of punk movement in politics, where a politicians would practice a minimalism and just say what the truth is, instead of layering a lot sorts of complexities and political correctness that always needs to be filtered to understand what they just said.

Violent & Funky · 02-02-2010, 10:12 PM

lol

The Monkey · 02-03-2010, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by almauro

Nice joke about the ammo, but very true that conservatives are today's punks. Liberalism today is dominated by leftist progressives that desire to control every aspect of human behavior until we're all locked up in cages, or attached to something like the Matrix. Conservatives are fearless believers of individual freedom, which is a radical thought to these progressives who fear human nature. Conservatives are the ones saying "F_uck Off" and are trying to prevent this government take over of our lives, and if need be, inject a little anarchy in the democratic process to halt this big government agenda in it's tracks. Sorry if I digressed from the topic, but I think it be cool to see some sort of punk movement in politics, where a politicians would practice a minimalism and just say what the truth is, instead of layering a lot sorts of complexities and political correctness that always needs to be filtered to understand what they just said.

Interestingly, conservatives want to control "our" lives more than liberals in terms of abortion and drug legislation. And if you think there is equal opportunity to success under a laissez-faire regime, you're insane. The social inequalities create barriers for people born in the lower classes, that hinders their ability to achieve financial or social progress.

almauro · 02-03-2010, 06:08 AM

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And if you think there is equal opportunity to success under a laissez-faire regime, you're insane. The social inequalities create barriers for people born in the lower classes, that hinders their ability to achieve financial or social progress.

That's the kind of BS progressives use to keep lower classes under their control. It reinforces a belief that poor people can't accomplish anything without a handout. Furthermore, once the government creates a program to dispense aid to the poor, the poor became their customers, therefore big government wants them to remain poor, because if the don't, they cease being customers, and big government is out of business. The Progressive's net effect is to create a class of people that are dependant and poor. Vertical class movement has never been accomplished by such socialist government intervention and redistribution of weath. The laissez-faire regime, which you seem to be at odds with, is what destroys these social barriers and rewards people for their hard work, innovation and ideas, not the color of their skin, their sociological and religious beliefs, or the size of their bank account.

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