right wing punk?

asshat · 01-22-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Let me clarify something,

One of the biggest problems I see with overly politically leftist punk is that the performers aren't singing about issues that directly affect them. Why are white kids screaming about racism? Why are human beings talking about the plight of animals some farm out in the country? Why are some straight guys complaining about sexism and "heteronormism"? Why not, instead, sing about issues which directly affect them?

...add to that the _vast_ majority of the performers were white, born in an advanced Western nation, and I have hard time believing their proclaimed politics is just a gimmick.

There's *** guys singing about sexism and heteronormism(the ****s, big boys)
Theres black guys singing about racism(bad brains)
Theres girl bands or bands with girls singing about sexism(x-ray spex, crass)

Maybe some of the white dudes are flakey in their politics but it's preferable to overtly right wing bs anyday.

duga · 01-22-2010, 04:04 PM

ok it seems like we have some discussable issues here now.

just the fact that i was corrected about punk going against a leftist government and the fact that others are obviously squabbling over the semantics of the issue proves to me that it is just stupid to divide politics up into two extremes. left and right, liberal and conservative...people on both sides of the issue with no gray area are both equally ignorant in my opinion.

but that is neither here nor there...to keep it in line with the music i feel the point most of us are trying to make is that the very name PUNK implies rebelling against the status quo. i'm not saying right wing punk can't be good but what calling it that implies to me is that they support the establishment as (at least in the US) right wing conservatives are big on doing.

everyone surely wants music they can relate to. if right wingers want some punk music, by all means make some punk music. i just don't really want to listen to it, personally. it wouldn't be PUNK to me.

Engine · 01-22-2010, 06:47 PM

It's actually kind of an embarrassing question for me to answer. The answer is no, I don't like "right-wing" punk bands. I assume you mean the neo-Nazi, National Socialist, white power type of right wing and I just can't (won't) listen to that - even if I like the band musically. Same thing for a lot of Death Metal - I like the music but I just don't like listening to songs about violent rape and such.

On the other hand, I don't insist that the only music I listen to is made by people who agree with me politically or otherwise - that would be ridiculous. It's embarrassing because I hate the idea of limiting oneself to one's own outlook, opinion, etc. But I guess certain subject matter is just too much for me to tolerate. No, fuck Right Wing Punk.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-22-2010, 09:43 PM

I'm trying to think what right wing punk would sound like if it wasn't too racist or anything like that

'Yeah ...... let's privatise the utilities & fuck public spending .... you bastards!!!!!!!!!'

Nope, it's not working for me i'm afraid.

The Monkey · 01-24-2010, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

Why does A have to lead to B?

Well, it has always done so so far. Or can you come up with an example where an unrestricted market didn't lead to a the creation of large, powerful businesses?

Violent & Funky · 01-24-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey

Well, it has always done so so far. Or can you come up with an example where an unrestricted market didn't lead to a the creation of large, powerful businesses?

We've never had an unrestricted market. Thanks to lobbying, big corporations actually thrive with a moderately large government...

Violent & Funky · 01-24-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I'm trying to think what right wing punk would sound like if it wasn't too racist or anything like that

'Yeah ...... let's privatise the utilities & fuck public spending .... you bastards!!!!!!!!!'

Nope, it's not working for me i'm afraid.

I imagine these "right wing" punks have a lot more in common with libertarians than they do with republicans. If their cause is to limit governmental control--the primary focus of libertarianism--then I don't think it would sound much different from traditional punk music at all...

duga · 01-24-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

I imagine these "right wing" punks have a lot more in common with libertarians than they do with republicans. If their cause is to limit governmental control--the primary focus of libertarianism--then I don't think it would sound much different from traditional punk music at all...

then call it libertarian punk...calling it right wing punk implies something else to me.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-24-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

I imagine these "right wing" punks have a lot more in common with libertarians than they do with republicans. If their cause is to limit governmental control--the primary focus of libertarianism--then I don't think it would sound much different from traditional punk music at all...

Why do people always assume you're talking about America all the time?

duga · 01-24-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Why do people always assume you're talking about America all the time?

it is best not to worry about it...it's just gonna happen.

01-22-2010, 04:04 PM	#22 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	ok it seems like we have some discussable issues here now. just the fact that i was corrected about punk going against a leftist government and the fact that others are obviously squabbling over the semantics of the issue proves to me that it is just stupid to divide politics up into two extremes. left and right, liberal and conservative...people on both sides of the issue with no gray area are both equally ignorant in my opinion. but that is neither here nor there...to keep it in line with the music i feel the point most of us are trying to make is that the very name PUNK implies rebelling against the status quo. i'm not saying right wing punk can't be good but what calling it that implies to me is that they support the establishment as (at least in the US) right wing conservatives are big on doing. everyone surely wants music they can relate to. if right wingers want some punk music, by all means make some punk music. i just don't really want to listen to it, personally. it wouldn't be PUNK to me. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

01-22-2010, 06:47 PM	#23 (permalink)
Engine air quote Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pollen & mold Posts: 3,108	It's actually kind of an embarrassing question for me to answer. The answer is no, I don't like "right-wing" punk bands. I assume you mean the neo-Nazi, National Socialist, white power type of right wing and I just can't (won't) listen to that - even if I like the band musically. Same thing for a lot of Death Metal - I like the music but I just don't like listening to songs about violent rape and such. On the other hand, I don't insist that the only music I listen to is made by people who agree with me politically or otherwise - that would be ridiculous. It's embarrassing because I hate the idea of limiting oneself to one's own outlook, opinion, etc. But I guess certain subject matter is just too much for me to tolerate. No, fuck Right Wing Punk. __________________ Like an arrow, I was only passing through.

01-22-2010, 09:43 PM	#24 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I'm trying to think what right wing punk would sound like if it wasn't too racist or anything like that 'Yeah ...... let's privatise the utilities & fuck public spending .... you bastards!!!!!!!!!' Nope, it's not working for me i'm afraid. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.