Dietrootbear

Hate to necro a topic within a thread but, aren't the Angry Aryans a hate band? Rather than a right wing punk band, (I think the kids today call it, "Hatecore") and honestly I don't remember any punk band calling themselves right or left, rather their fans.

But I guess a right wing punk rocker would be, Dave Smalley maybe?

I see no lack of awesomeness in Down By Law, DYS, Or Dag Nasty....

OctaneHugo

I find it hilarious that everyone thinks that since punk isn't usually conservative, it's left-wing. And that we also have to classify everything and everyone as something, branding them like cattle and placing their beliefs firmly on one side of the political spectrum.

I also find it horrifying that people say they don't care about the ideas and the lyrics of their favorite bands. I have some news for you folks: you're missing out on 95% of what music is.

There was also some trashing of the United States' cultural awareness early on due to an American poster putting politics in the context of the U.S.'s system. What the **** do you want him to do? Are you saying that as soon as you hear something relating to politics, you immediately look at it from an omnipotent perspective and not in your own country's system? Humans work with what they know.

Because they care and want to make a difference in some way, shape or form. By that logic, why are people helping out at soup kitchens? Why do people donate to charity?

And this statement is nothing more than outlandish, paranoid accusations.

Nice propaganda. "Fearless believers of individual freedom" is awesome, man. So's the assumption that your traditional Republican wants a dash of anarchy in his government.

When the people at the top got there through connections, lying, cheating and stealing? The kind of thinking you display here reinforces the belief that poor people don't need help, when they most certainly do.

You just don't stop with the paranoid ranting, do you? Leftist governments are coming to get you, Barbara! Run!

Because the U.S. economy has just flourished recently, hasn't it? And it didn't see it's hugest boom under a Democrat in the White House, did it? The fact that anyone can still get to the top of the social pyramid through hard work and dedication alone is stupid. Times have changed and if you want to get somewhere, you need to know people in high places and be able to spin doctor your way to the top. I'd respond to the rest of these posts but they just get even more ridiuclous and closed-minded.

Wetback is a slur, don't use it.

I like this guy.

And what does listening to the music and ENJOYING it accomplish? The illogical hatred of millions of people? I don't care what kind of music they play or how talented they might be - if I don't agree with the lyrics I'm not going to listen to it.

And it's that kind of ignorant viewpoint that leads to nothing ever improving in terms of racial tension.

You should care about what happens with issues like race because you live on this planet. Give a **** about what happens on it.

They were born in a first-world country that treated them as beings less than house rats for 200 years, then treated them as beings less than human for the next few decades. As far as we know they were pretty goddamn happy in that "3rd world hellhole". Don't even try and argue that they have social advantages, either.

No one today should feel guilty about slavery because they never practiced it. But a sense of remorse and disgust? Yes.

I know it's fun to make unproven, ridiculous, sweeping statements about things, but it makes you look like a moron.

White racism isn't a problem? Seriously?


All-in-all, if someone wants to make music, they can make it. Doesn't mean I or anyone else has to enjoy it or agree with the statements it makes. Some music I like, some I don't, some I am unaware of. And that's fine.

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Dietrootbear

This is just some healthy arguing, K?

Then they should go help them....and stop writing songs over and over again about how "traditional" republicans are all Black-hating, ***-hating, inbred rednecks. Trust me, I know that the average conservative is an idiot, and it makes it hard for the people who are actually intelligent and want to WORK with the other side. But that's society, stupid people hold down those who want to make a change.

I'll agree with that, but this description could fit alot of what I hear in your average punk song.

So this dude got a little romantic with conservativism in his quote? I didn't take it seriously, but what, we aren't allowed to get a little romantic with our political ideologies? Then hell, you might as well call "The Angry Aryans" propaganda. Rather than a bunch of racist white dudes. And coincidently, I admire their enthusiastic hate, it's inspiring, in terms of aesthetics (of course).

Lying, cheating and stealing? Lmao. If that's not stereotyping I don't know what is. Sure human beings work off what they know, but hey, that doesn't mean we should be oblivious. (I'm not calling you oblivious Octane)
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Not that I'm saying poor people don't need help, they do, and it's a good cause when someone wants to help them.

Granted almauro is ranting,() but he has some points underneath his ranting, at least until he said "Progressives". No need to put him down. And nice Night of the Living Dead reference.

Lmao. "Know people in high places"? That's just as bad as almauro's ranting! You hate people with money don't you? What are you, some sort of "Poor man's lawyer"?

.....Unless bunny is using it to clarify what he meant by it.

Why, because he's selfish enough to think punk should be exactly what he wants it to be?

If you listen to music purely to agree with the lyrics then YOU sir are close-minded. I listen to music I don't agree with ALL the time. As long as you can relate to the way the MUSIC, not WORDS, makes you feel, than that should be enough. I listened to the "The Angry Aryans" just to figure what all this anger towards them is about, and their cover of "White Minority" was awesome. I don't care if they were being racist *******s, it was catchy when he started singing "WHHHHHHHITEE PRIDE, YOUR AN AMERICAN, WHITE PRIDE! YOUR AN ARYAN!". ****! Art doesn't always have to be about something!

I don't agree with bunny this time, honestly, but there is racism towards white's too. Stereotypes such as the "White Pride *******" or the "Inbred Redneck". I'm Lebanese and I know this, damn, I get called a terrorist alot by friends, especially one Hispanic friend of mine. He asks me if I have a bomb in my jacket (whenever I wear one) and I just ask him if he can give me some fence-hopping lessons. We don't take racism SERIOUSLY, we think its FUNNY actually. People who get all upset about other people's "racial tension" are the ones making things worse.


But so many people already DO care, father octane!

White people were enslaved by their own race once too. For a much longer time. Think "Serfdom".

My great great grandfather probably married a 15 year old girl when he was 40. I don't give a ****. And why should I? Don't give me this crap about how i'm stupid for not caring and all of my generation is the same and blah blah blah. If it tain't my fault, jethro, it tain't my fault!

And I have NO reason to feel disgusted just because someone else thinks I should.

Jesus ****ing christ I have NEVER seen a white hate crime! If I tried walking through south central LA I would probably get shot just because I LOOK WHITE. Just as a black man would if he rolled through west virginian back country in a giant SUV blasting "The Predator" (Ice Cube). Racism is EVERYWHERE. White, black, hispanic, middle eastern. You wanna end it? End it on all fronts.

No. It's not. Your making it a problem.



KK, i iz chill now, bai

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scottsy

I don't care whether it has a right to exist or not, I reject music that is full of hate in the same way I reject artwork from Nazi Germany that promotes hate, such as propaganda, etc... I don't wanna hear it or acknowledge it's legitimacy, because as a whole it is of no cultural benefit than to fragment society and support ages old problems that the human race should be mature enough to be over by now.

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scottsy

And if that is what hatecore is, than it is the least desireable 'core' subgenre heading that exists... I'd rather listen to speedthrashrhythymmetalmelodyemohardcore... I think that jumbles all the cores quite nicely, except maybe for vikingcore metal...

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asshat

I think the whole argument that you should just focus on the "sounds" is idiotic. Yes, the music does speak for itself. The Angry Aryans let you know the source of their inspiration:the aggression in their music is inspired by their "n--ger" hatred. Why would I want to play along with that?

It's the same way the same joke can be funny in some contexts and deeply offensive in other contexts.

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Dietrootbear

Lulz
I didn't say I agreed with The Angry Aryans, my point was, isn't that what Freedom of Speech is about?

You have intelligent people.
And you have *******s.
And the *******s make the intelligent people look even more intelligent. (well for the most part)

But that's america.

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hip hop bunny hop

We've already discussed this; 50% of slaves were owned by people who owned 40 or more slaves. The other half were owned by people whom, to roughly quote the Penguin Encyclopedia of American History, worked side by side with the slaves, who ate with the slaves, and joined together in the daily tasks only to end up in different housing at night.

Regarding the "As far as we know they were pretty goddamn happy in that "3rd world hellhole". Yes, because Africa is a wonderful place. Let's look at, say, the 1950s to the 1970s in Africa and the USA. Why, when the black American was suffering here with the availability of Welfare, SSI, Food Stamps, electricty, running water and a proper sewer system, the Africans were having a ball. Let's use Equatorial Guinea as an example. Equatorial Guinea became known as the Dachau of Africa as it's dictator policies were so insane a fourth of the citizenry fled the nation, resulting in the dictator banning boats. He executed 100 people in the national stadium to the tune of then pop hit "Those Were the Days" on Christmas Eve.

Yes, the poor African Americans. Suffering the legacy of slavery, they earn less than White Americans for doing the same job. Some of them are even degraded to working minimum wage jobs at McDonalds wherein one earns more in a day than the typical resident of the Central African Republic earns in a month. They are forced to drink tap water which has been purified, forced to walk to the bus station, where the bus takes them along the roads where sewage waste doesn't flow openly along the side.

Now, look at the wonderful life Africans have. HIV rates often in the double digits. Religious terrorist groups, both Christian and Muslim. Having to walk miles for drinking water. Sewage running in gutters along the roads. Widespread illiteracy. Ooo, and we should discuss womens rights in Africa? Here's three words for a fun african hobby: female genital mutilation!

Yes, clearly, African Americans suffering the the legacy of slavery are much worse off than those that remained in Africa.

scottsy

This thread is running out of steam.... please, mods...

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hip hop bunny hop

Amazing song.