The Abracadaver

This is the stupidest **** I've ever heard. Racist, anti-semitic bigots need not play music. They already spread their stupidity and bull**** other ways.

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Kamikazi Kat

Ugh... Reading through people's opinions in this thread and I'm disappointed in a lot of people's opinions, they strike me as close-minded.

I say the political views of a band shouldn't matter. Sure, they can be a part of what makes that band them, or be something recognizable in a genre. But I don't like looking at it as a standard.

Most of the time when I think of punk, I think of loud, passionate and fast music that tends to have anti-establishment, individualistic and DIY views. If a band comes along and has a quality that differs from that set of associations, I don't see why it shouldn't be considered punk, because it's not like you can prove that "true punk" has to have any of those qualities. I guess you could call it "punk with right wing political views," if you want to describe what it's like.

Shoe

I agree with this. People try so hard to fit genres and labels ect but Punk is more about the sound to me than the attitude. At least in most cases. Of course, I'm not the biggest expert on punk so I'm sure I couldn't back up much that I say about it.
Just love my Clash.

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The Abracadaver

I don't care about political views. But bigotry, racism, and hatred towards certain people is just ridiculous. That is not at all in the spirit of punk.

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duga

Agreed.

I find myself feeling like a bit of a hypocrite posting the things I have in this thread...and I struggle to find the right argument to get my point across.

Music should be an honest and free expression of the artist, but I can't support racist music. I can't seem to put it into words just the way I want to, but I find singing about mystical "evil" and devil worshiping to be completely different from singing about beating someone of a different ethnicity. The difference being, if someone went out to worship the devil...whatever. If you believe in hell, fine. They are still not hurting anyone else.

Someone could leave a show by the Angry Aryans and actually go and try to find someone to beat the **** out of, which has been known to happen after shows with music like that. This is not what music should be.

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hip hop bunny hop

See, now, you seem to be getting to some substance.

You're claiming that the music which espouses violent anti-social behavior will cause the listeners to commit violent anti-social behavior.

Now, unless you think this effect is limited to musicians with a racist bent, why should an underground band advocating racist violence be of special concern when there are mainstream groups advocating general violence?

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

who are you to say what music should or should not be?
that sounds like something an older person would've said when punk was formulating.

when did true punk music become not about pushing boundaries and being unacceptable to the general populace?

if some ****ers want to start a nazi punk band then they can, and its music; whether it should be or shouldn't be doesn't even enter into it. if you have a problem with it then oppose them. opposition against something is a fundamental aspect of punk music/aesthetic. at least in my understanding of it. if you don't think so i'd be glad to hear your what you think.

duga

That is, in a nutshell, exactly what I am doing.

I know how I sound, too. I know I can't stop music like this from being made. Either way, I'm against it and I'm going to stand behind that stance. Yes, one thing I can actually agree with when it comes to the older generation is that if music is going to inspire any real violence, it should not be made. If any skinhead ever heard this and got so pumped up he went outside and booted some poor minority on the street after the show, then yes, that music was a cause.

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Kamikazi Kat

It can be about the attitude. It depends on the individual. For some people, they like their punk with a certain attitude. Some like the style, ect.

Or in duga's case, racism or bigotry in music ruins it for him. That's why it's subjective.

Regarding violent attitudes and lyrical content, it really depends on how it's being expressed.

For example, a lot of metal bands have violent or disturbing lyrics. I know that many of them aren't actually going to go out and do those things, they are just expressing a human emotion we can all relate to: anger.

Although there are exceptions. I'm sure a band that calls themselves "right wing punk" actually agrees with the right wing themes expressed in their lyrics.

Urban Hat€monger ?

Advocating it? or singing about it.

There is a difference.

And I don't consider them a 'special concern'. I just took one look at the song titles and that was enough to put me off.

I'm not concerned about them in the slightest. Most reasonable people will see it for the ridiculous rubbish that it is.

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