The Pixies vs Nirvana

IlluminatedRain · 06-26-2011, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

which is fine, if hair metal was really that bad but i find most of the hm power ballads very engaging, tbh

and Nirvana pretty much killed off that style of balladeering, so now we get emo-ballads like Hoobastank's The Reason

Nirvana responsible for the rise of emo ballands? Hahahaha.

Howard the Duck · 06-26-2011, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by IlluminatedRain

Nirvana responsible for the rise of emo ballands? Hahahaha.

i didn't say they were responsible for emo-ballads

please read my posts properly, troll

they killed off "hair metal" hence that style of power ballads

METALLICA_RULES · 06-26-2011, 05:33 AM

I haven't really heard Pixies, so I went with Nirvana.

BastardofYoung · 06-26-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

i didn't say they were responsible for emo-ballads

please read my posts properly, troll

they killed off "hair metal" hence that style of power ballads

I do not think that was a troll, it was an honest laugh for a statement that is not true.

"Nirvana pretty much killed off that style of balladeering, so now we get emo-ballads like Hoobastank's The Reason"

You say Nirvana killed the power ballad, and gave rise to the "emo ballad".... so that statement does imply they are responsible for them in the end.

That is still wrong, cause power ballads were still being made well into the 90s and to this day.

Robin333 · 06-26-2011, 12:28 PM

No doubt of it, Nirvana really wrote history with their albums. They're really one of my all time favorite bands!

But you really can't compare nirvana and the pixies, I also like the pixies but nirvana stays the best for me.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 06-27-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

I do not think that was a troll, it was an honest laugh for a statement that is not true.

"Nirvana pretty much killed off that style of balladeering, so now we get emo-ballads like Hoobastank's The Reason"

You say Nirvana killed the power ballad, and gave rise to the "emo ballad".... so that statement does imply they are responsible for them in the end.

That is still wrong, cause power ballads were still being made well into the 90s and to this day.

Of course there's going to be overlap. There is hardly an instance in popular music when a prominent genre just dies completely. I personally disagree with the thought about "Emo ballads", but I believe the point Il Duce is trying to make is Nirvana was at the forefront of a movement which was counter to hair metal, one of (if not the) most popular forms of rock music in the 1980s. A prominent feature of this music were big, loud, cheesy power ballads. Though the public's interest shifted from this type of music to grunge and alternative rock, there were of course still hair metal bands around and they still made hair metal power ballads, but over time this style of music faded with the passing of the decade.

Il Duce, power ballads are still made today but they aren't hair metal power ballads, they belong to different genres. I don't believe Nirvana gave rise to an "Emo ballad" because Nirvana didn't play many ballads and weren't Emo.

BastardofYoung · 06-28-2011, 02:04 AM

I don't know, I remember watching a lot of music video television in the 90's... Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Skid Row, Extreme... that stuff was still popular in that time, and played in heavy rotation. It never went away.

I hear people blame them for the killing of metal as well.. I read this whole long winded rant by someone... well, read it...

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COMMENT | The album that destroyed metal
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People today obviously don't know how much damage this piece of crap did 20 years ago. This album destroyed the entire metal scene. Not just the hair bands. Every single metal head got kicked in the nuts as a result of this album, and we're still suffering because of it.

People seem to have forgotten that if you were a metal head in the mid-90's, people were laughing at you. If you had talent, and knew how to sing or play guitar, they laughed at you. Metal was dead, and the grungers were pissing on our graves.

This was of course not just Nirvana's fault, but also the music industry. The majority of the people just follow trends, whatever is being promoted by the record compaines. And the music industry was still so powerful in the 90's they could control what the people "wanted". They could create a hype around basically anything, as long as they invested enough money. And that's what they did with grunge.

A Bruce Dickinson quote comes to mind "They can sell people crap, and make them eat it"

If you wonder why nobody listens to metal anymore, and why every single rock/metal band are removed from the hit-lists and media, why kids are now listening to rap, pop, country, R and B instead of rock, look no further. This was the beginning of the end.

If you analyze what most people really want, when they're not affected by the hype of the media, they just want a good show, with good melodic tunes performed by good looking and talented singers and musicians (American Idol is a perfect example of this). Music that makes them feel either good or excited.

In the 80's, rock and metal was one of the main providers of good melodic music by cool/good looking people and really cool stage shows. Some more heavy than others, but it was still all about writing good music. Then the nastiness and depression of grunge came along, where it was forbidden to have a cool image, write good songs or even have a stage show. And I honestly believe that it put A LOT of people off rock music for good.

Although the album and style was a hit at the time, most people quickly got enough of the depressive ugliness, and turned to other melodic sources instead. They had no other choice, cause the melodic metal scene was dead.

If this crap-fest hadn't been released, rock and metal would have had the chance to evolve naturally and remain a part of the popular culture. Metal bands were already trying real hard to reinvent themselves in the early 90's, getting into heavier directions and away from the cheesiness of hair metal. They would without question have been able to stay fresh, and revolve around the natural musical direction of the world.

Instead the real talents were laid off and forced underground. Just because the damn music industry got lucky with this one ugly record, and the bands and albums that followed it.

source: BLABBERMOUTH.NET - NIRVANA: 'Nevermind' 20th-Anniversary Super Deluxe Edition Due In September

wow.....

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 06-28-2011, 02:19 AM

What an intelligent perspective.

BastardofYoung · 06-28-2011, 02:31 AM

Metal: It is cool and good looking.

I think more of the movie Hard Core Logo, the song "rock n roll is fat and ugly".

Yeah, Death Metal was always on the verge of top 40, Black Metal too... the mainstream media loves Arson and Murder. We could of lived out Oliver Stone's dreams... but instead we get destroyed by 1 album. Oh, what it takes to be a metal head.

But based on the review, I would buy 2 copies, and next time I see Slayer or Metallica, I will wave it in their face and say "hey, aren't you supposed to be dead?". We will have a good laugh, and that was be all.

~~Odyshape~~ · 06-30-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

I don't know, I remember watching a lot of music video television in the 90's... Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Skid Row, Extreme... that stuff was still popular in that time, and played in heavy rotation. It never went away.

I hear people blame them for the killing of metal as well.. I read this whole long winded rant by someone... well, read it...

source: BLABBERMOUTH.NET - NIRVANA: 'Nevermind' 20th-Anniversary Super Deluxe Edition Due In September

wow.....

hahaha I am always baffled by how people can make such blatantly untrue statements with so much conviction.

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BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	Metal: It is cool and good looking. I think more of the movie Hard Core Logo, the song "rock n roll is fat and ugly". Yeah, Death Metal was always on the verge of top 40, Black Metal too... the mainstream media loves Arson and Murder. We could of lived out Oliver Stone's dreams... but instead we get destroyed by 1 album. Oh, what it takes to be a metal head. But based on the review, I would buy 2 copies, and next time I see Slayer or Metallica, I will wave it in their face and say "hey, aren't you supposed to be dead?". We will have a good laugh, and that was be all. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

06-26-2011, 05:33 AM	#373 (permalink)
METALLICA_RULES Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 127	I haven't really heard Pixies, so I went with Nirvana.

06-26-2011, 12:28 PM	#375 (permalink)
Robin333 Groupie Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Belgium, where music has an own life Posts: 28	No doubt of it, Nirvana really wrote history with their albums. They're really one of my all time favorite bands! But you really can't compare nirvana and the pixies, I also like the pixies but nirvana stays the best for me.

06-28-2011, 02:19 AM	#378 (permalink)
~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	What an intelligent perspective.