Yahoo: Is Punk Dead?

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 10-08-2009, 10:22 PM

I read this bullsh-t on Yahoo and scoffed at it. The so called "music blogger" completely ignored 80's and 90's hardcore and acted like Punk died in UK 77. Total bullsh-t. Punk music is still alive and thriving but as it should be: out of the prying eyes of corporate whores.

Just because you take early punk fashion and commercialize it doesn't change the fact that there are 2349234u24945 plus punk, mostly hardcore admittedly, bands playing in garages and small sh-t venues accross the U.S and I would assume the U.K.

I don't know what's worse, the article or the motherf-ckin' comments in this thread. Sorry if I seem a bit edgy, I'm irritated and listening to gangsta rap.

Kamikazi Kat · 10-08-2009, 10:58 PM

Ugh... One of my friends brought this topic up. I was surprised because he has little interest in music, yet he had such a stubborn opinion that punk is dead. His argument, that according to some big board of music reviewers, there are currently no bands with even moderate success playing "traditional punk." He said that even though there are bands that still play punk music, it doesn't resemble the style back then. He said it doesn't have the same rhythm... Wtf?

See, this is why I come here. There is the above friend, my other friend that religiously listens to Rammstein and a variety of other German "thump" bands, which is a nickname I made up because every band he listens to has a very prominent, 4/4 feel to them where each quarter note either has a heavy bass drum or snare hit, and anything that doesn't have that "has no rhythm." The only one that is cool about music is the one that tolerates pretty much any form of music.

tgpo · 10-09-2009, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kamikazi Kat

it doesn't resemble the style back then. He said it doesn't have the same rhythm... Wtf?

Ha ha ha. That's the worst argument point I've ever read. Tell your friend he shouldn't discuss topics he doesn't understand.

**Janszoon** · 10-09-2009, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Phillyboy

I find it funny that Green Day are considered a corporate band since American Idiot, when the whole point of the record was bashing the corporations and government. That is very punk, I think most people are just jealous because they are the most successful punk band ever.

That's all pretty ironic then considering the album was released by a Warner subsidiary, the videos were played on MTV and a massive amount of collateral material was sold to millions of consumers.

Also, for the record they were considered a corporate band long, long before American Idiot.

Molecules · 10-09-2009, 11:05 AM

Article's a bit redundant isn't it, leave this childish bickering about integrity and purity to the metal scenes. The so-called spirit of punk interests me, that Don Letts documentary came to the conclusion that punk is a byword for originality and usurping the status quo, and that this is alive and well, albeit not in what we recognize as punk musically... i don't know why people insist on hanging on to these buzz words, it's like they are scared of the unknown. I still think Public Image Ltd's first two albums are greatest 'punk' statements, infact that whole first wave of classic post-punk LPs. The whole label just smacks of the leeching scenester, just as the hippies and psychedelic sheep that Frank Zappa mocked, this is why any musician with sense hates being pigeonholed by the music press

Phillyboy · 10-09-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

That's all pretty ironic then considering the album was released by a Warner subsidiary, the videos were played on MTV and a massive amount of collateral material was sold to millions of consumers.

Also, for the record they were considered a corporate band long, long before American Idiot.

It's simply because they are a great band with pop sensibilities. The videos got heavy airplay because people wanted to see them!

This is there career, and of course they have to make money to support their families. Why stay stuck in the same mold forever? Look at them not as artists, but as people.

And just to please fickle fans who love to cry sellout, they continue to put out indie projects like Foxboro Hot Tubs, that STILL do very well!

Green Day has always loved there fans, and as there revune increases, they get more exposure, and can create more media/material to these loyal fans like myself.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 10-09-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Molecules

Article's a bit redundant isn't it, leave this childish bickering about integrity and purity to the metal scenes. The so-called spirit of punk interests me, that Don Letts documentary came to the conclusion that punk is a byword for originality and usurping the status quo, and that this is alive and well, albeit not in what we recognize as punk musically... i don't know why people insist on hanging on to these buzz words, it's like they are scared of the unknown. I still think Public Image Ltd's first two albums are greatest 'punk' statements, infact that whole first wave of classic post-punk LPs. The whole label just smacks of the leeching scenester, just as the hippies and psychedelic sheep that Frank Zappa mocked, this is why any musician with sense hates being pigeonholed by the music press

2,000 Conan Points.

Anteater · 10-09-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

9,000+ Conan Points.

Fixed.

Molecules: No matter how many times a band or artist cries foul, they will always be typecasted in some form or fashion. It's unavoidable. People who do articles, documentaries, etc. on them need SOME way to describe the sound in a way that doesn't take up too much space/time, hence the prevalent genre labeling and "sounds like X bands meets Y band" schticking in mainstream media.

mr dave · 10-09-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillyboy

Green Day has always loved there fans, and as there revune increases, they get more exposure, and can create more media/material to these loyal fans like myself.

they also chose to write incredibly formulaic pap in order to cement their place within the mainstream about 10 years ago. 'time of your life' anyone? could you do anything besides hope your ears exploded when you simply couldn't run away from that song around '98?.

...there's nothing unpredictable
about strumming G, C, and D
thanks, you totally paid for my liiiiiiiife....

green day has always, and will always be, little sister punk rock.

Molecules · 10-09-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

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Molecules: No matter how many times a band or artist cries foul, they will always be typecasted in some form or fashion. It's unavoidable. People who do articles, documentaries, etc. on them need SOME way to describe the sound in a way that doesn't take up too much space/time, hence the prevalent genre labeling and "sounds like X bands meets Y band" schticking in mainstream media.

you need categorization up to a point, sure, i'm just saying the old punk philosophy (like one was ever hammered out, just another bandwagon) is inappropriate to keep exhuming to win arguments, especially since all the 'authentic' punk groups around today have evolved beyond it sonically e.g. post-metalcore or whatever the hell it is this week. it's all terribly boring really. there's a word i was looking for to describe 'punk' as an ethos, i think it is 'anachronous', not sure though, as if i could look any stupider =P

10-08-2009, 10:22 PM	#21 (permalink)
~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	I read this bullsh-t on Yahoo and scoffed at it. The so called "music blogger" completely ignored 80's and 90's hardcore and acted like Punk died in UK 77. Total bullsh-t. Punk music is still alive and thriving but as it should be: out of the prying eyes of corporate whores. Just because you take early punk fashion and commercialize it doesn't change the fact that there are 2349234u24945 plus punk, mostly hardcore admittedly, bands playing in garages and small sh-t venues accross the U.S and I would assume the U.K. I don't know what's worse, the article or the motherf-ckin' comments in this thread. Sorry if I seem a bit edgy, I'm irritated and listening to gangsta rap. Last edited by someonecompletelyrandom; 10-08-2009 at 11:21 PM.

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Molecules daddy don't Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: the Wastes Posts: 2,577	Article's a bit redundant isn't it, leave this childish bickering about integrity and purity to the metal scenes. The so-called spirit of punk interests me, that Don Letts documentary came to the conclusion that punk is a byword for originality and usurping the status quo, and that this is alive and well, albeit not in what we recognize as punk musically... i don't know why people insist on hanging on to these buzz words, it's like they are scared of the unknown. I still think Public Image Ltd's first two albums are greatest 'punk' statements, infact that whole first wave of classic post-punk LPs. The whole label just smacks of the leeching scenester, just as the hippies and psychedelic sheep that Frank Zappa mocked, this is why any musician with sense hates being pigeonholed by the music press __________________ [SIZE="1"]Eff em tumble her

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Kamikazi Kat Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 329	Ugh... One of my friends brought this topic up. I was surprised because he has little interest in music, yet he had such a stubborn opinion that punk is dead. His argument, that according to some big board of music reviewers, there are currently no bands with even moderate success playing "traditional punk." He said that even though there are bands that still play punk music, it doesn't resemble the style back then. He said it doesn't have the same rhythm... Wtf? See, this is why I come here. There is the above friend, my other friend that religiously listens to Rammstein and a variety of other German "thump" bands, which is a nickname I made up because every band he listens to has a very prominent, 4/4 feel to them where each quarter note either has a heavy bass drum or snare hit, and anything that doesn't have that "has no rhythm." The only one that is cool about music is the one that tolerates pretty much any form of music.