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The small city of Dawson Creek.

and haha!

asshat

There's this story where they stole pot from the big boys and trashed their place because they were *** or something like that. The sad thing is they aren't from jamaica, so they can't argue that they're weren't accustomed to it.

The ****ty thing was their homophobia was religious and ideological...other bands were homophobic just to be offensive.

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Schredds

I totally understand what your saying, and Ive always had respect for you since Ive joined, I dont mean to rub anyone or you the wrong way with this comment, and Im sorry if it sounds blunt, but IMO, if something isnt directely affecting me, I dont care, the situation that happened in Germany is rediculous and wrong and what happened with homosexuals in the past is rediculous and wrong too, but it has absolutely nothing to do with me and has no affect on me whatsoever, I cant pretent to care or pay attention to something that isnt affecting me, I have enough going on in my life and enough problems of my own to worry about homosexuals or homophobes or hitler or jews, cant you understand that? I focus on my life and people that are close to me and anything other than that I couldnt care less about, I dont have time for all that stuff.

Schredds

And to add to the comment I just made I am in no way saying what Im saying out of any religeous belife, I am not religeous at all, If youve read some of my other posts in other threads you know that.

asshat

It was a sarcastic remark. I was curious about "if homos are allowed to be obvious about what they believe"....being *** isn't a belief system, and homophobes aren't responding to a belief system.

There is a difference between ***s being "obvious about their beliefs"(to homophobes, this is the simple fact that they are *** ), and homophobes hating them because of how they were born.

*** is a neutral term like race or sex. Homophobe is a term for ignorant *******s.

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I guess we differ on that a bit, Schredds. I for one care quite a bit about equal rights and respect for all people and I'm a non-religious heterosexual white male. There's not a whole lot of discrimination coming my way.

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The Unfan

No you don't. You want to silence and shut out homophobia and don't show any respect to homophobic people. If they truly deserve the same rights as homosexuals than homophobic people have to have the right to express their dislike of homosexuals and the homosexual community in the same ways homosexuals can express their homosexuality. If homosexuals can have a non-violent gathering and the rights to publically express their homosexuality than homophobic people need to have the right to have non-violent gatherings and the ability to publically express their views on homosexuality. Sure homophobia is ignorant, but it isn't fair to limit them based on favoritism.

asshat

This thread has nothing to do with civil rights or free speech.They were just wondering if operation ivy were homophobes, plain and simple.

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Janszoon

And that brings us back to the question I was asking before Schredds derailed the thread, what's the basis for the accusation that Tim Armstrong is a homophobe anyway? This is the first I've ever heard about it.

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Wow, I really missed a lot, just woek up..

Back to what I was saying and to answer a few questions that were scattered amongst the fight with the mod and kid who posted "who cares if there homophobes" (although it does matter to me.

I am a huge Operation Ivy fan, I'm not bashing them in any way, I'd just like to know if Tim Armstrong is a homophobe or not, what brought me to ask this question is the fact Leftover Crack's song "*** Rude Boys" is an attack on Tim Armstrong and a parody of Unity ( an op ivy song), talking about how Operation Ivy states they are anti-racist, anti- homophobic and all that good stuff yet having a homophobe, Tim Armstrong, in there band.

So I am just trying to figure out if Tim Armstrong is truly a homophobe or if it's just a rumor, which would change how I look at tim Armstrong if he in fact is a homophobe due to the fact in the notes inside Op Ivy's album Energy , it states;

" Music is an indirect force for change, because it provides an anchor against human tragedy. In this sense, it works towards a reconciled world. It can also be the direct experience of change. At certain points during some shows, the reconciled world is already here, at least in that second, at that place. Operation Ivy was very lucky to have experienced this. Those seconds reveal that the momentum that drives a subculture is more important than any particular band. The momentum is made of all the people who stay interested, and keep their sense of urgency and hope.
—J."

And i think it's also pretty obvious that operation ivy is a big fan of equality thus contradicting Tim Armstrong if he really is a homophobe.