Punk is ***
 

the title says it all.

Objection!

^ says it all.

Are you going to continue to be an arse just because I closed your thread?

I would like this conversation to be had.

I sort of agree, while I like some punk it's by far the most overrated genre on this site per my tastes.

Punk to me, and this will sound appropriately ignorant to fans of the genre, is sort of like rock and roll without the skill or mass relate-ability.

Punk speaks to a small audience of people who don't like to follow the norm even when it is the best path.

Anyway, if anyone can better express my sentiments or has a considerate counterpoint, I'd like to keep this thread open.

I wish I could be three asterisks.


Either way, Punk is good, in small doses.

I don't know if I'd say punk only gets a three star rating, I'd give it four.

I would say punk, in all honesty, doesn't differ from rock and pop anymore. In the '70s, it was a rejection of "hip" and "fitting in." It was music to express individuality. That ended almost as soon as it began. I'd say "punk" now just refers to certain groups of bands that are agreed-upon, with extremely fuzzy boundaries, by whatever circle of discussion you're in. Any attempt to formalize what punk is, in terms of sound, basically devolves into "I know it when I hear it."

Whether a band is punk or not is really one of the most pointless and fruitless debates in music discussions. Punk is a lot like "dream pop" or "noise-rock"....it doesn't mean anything concrete, the labels are applied arbitrarily based on each person's feelings and it's really all just pop and rock.

Punk is Dead for many of the reasons that Minstrel listed. Punk was a rejection of pop ethos and a reaction to garbage like Led Zeppelin and disco and arena rock and later Peter Frampton. It was apolitical art for art's sake, it was bordering on dadist. Punk in its truely intended form probably never made it into the 80s.

^^ it sort of did, it mutated into post-punk --> no wave -- > industrial --> noise. but that's about as far as you can go, short of using the performance itself to smash through aesthetic boundaries, such as the audience/performer distinction.

i think punk is much more relatable than most forms of music simply because it doesn't constrict itself to a simple aesthetic form, which would isolate it, but instead attaches itself to freedom and rebellion. by this definition, punk very quickly ceased to be punk and became popular music, but as i pointed out the idea of punk (or the idea of dada) kept evolving until it hit a brick wall (and was then synthesized back into popular music, yay for contemporary music with nowhere left to go!).

also, when you say "don't like to follow the norm even though it's the best path..."

think of disco as the yellow brick road. shiny, glistening, easy to walk on, predictable, etc. punk is like taking the path that goes through a swamp. sure, it stinks, it's sludgy, hard to get through, but it's an experience, it's something real, and if you rid yourself of your preconceptions you will learn to enjoy it. is one path better than the other? they just appeal to different folks...

It is alot like rock n roll, but there were PLENTY of punk bands that were really good at their insruments:

Television (thats the big one)
The Only Ones
Talking Heads
Magazine
Pere Ubu
The Voidoids
etc..

Alot of these are also considered 'post-punk' but they all made worthwhile records between '75-'78, before 'post-punk' was really considered a genre.

And theres SO MUCH relateability and emotion in punk rock. "Teenage Kicks" by the Undertones, "Time" by Richard Hell, "Ever Fallen in Love" by the Buzz ****s, "You Cant Put Your Arms Around a Memory" by Johnny Thunders, "I'm Straight" by The Modern Lovers, I relate to punk more than any other genre! Im not a rebel by any stretch either.

I agree with what your saying sort of, if youre referring to the whole sex pistols rip off side of it, where it was about bashing out chords and screaming about how your parents made you clean your room, but theres so much great stuff that goes far beyond that. Lets not forget, although technically Elvis Costello was 'pub-rock', he fit right into the punk scene at the time.

Without punk's back-to-basics, youth-induced refocus of rock music to it's base elements I know that popular culture, music and how we make it, avant-garde, art, hell, even youth culture would be very, very different today. It was an irrepressible backlash, inevitable.

But I personally see the marketable values of freedom and rebellion as distinctly un-punk, surely the torch of musical and intellectual freedom was carried by the experimental musicians of so-called 'post punk'? Punk was a stage of evolution for rock music, and therefore completely necessary. I can't see how anyone could ever expect music to stagnate and faithfully retain the elder generation's standards and pass their aesthetic qualifications...?

Punks influence extends far more than people realise.

Without punk you wouldn't have this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...kBlueLines.jpg

and there's nothing whatsoever 'punk rock' about this album.

^i don't follow on that one, always associated it with a different music continuum, 'trip-hop>>hip-hop>>disco/funk>>rhythm & blues etc...
unless punk got 3-D into music or something? sorry to be anal :S

Punk in the UK was about the political system in place in 76 combined with the old order no longer speaking to kids.
It was about stiffling kids and kids reactions to been stifled and playing a game that was in favour of the old order.
Therefore like a big explosion it only lasted breifly.
What came after was just people acting like punks or people who wanted it to be 76 again.
In the UK most magaines and art in Soho today reflects punk ethos.
It is like pick it up and do it not..go to music school, get a degree in music...play in other bands for years....search for a deal.
It was just set a movement and let your own people come to it and then the A&R men will have to broadcast it as they want profit.
But the politics of the music is what made british punk 76-79 what it was.
It was purely political whereas rock was sex and drugs.

Rap music in the early eighties was closest to punk for black Americans which is why the clash got slightly involved in it.
Rotten loved rap early on for it's attitude.

That is the difference between rock and punk.
Politics.

3D said his biggest inspiration while making it was Metal Box

Hmn...that's an uncalled for generalization. Don't insult the genre, just the group(s) or artist(s.)

I can't really give a definition for Punk Music other than its all about the attitude and playing fast doesn't hurt either.

A punk is anyone who reflects some of the ideas commonly presented through punk art like Anti Authoritarian views, nihilism, etc.
Or
A punk is anyone who wears certain clothing and accessories like studs or hot topic t shirts.

Really in the end its just a label for a million different things that have very little to do with each other.

Thanks to everyone who responded especially cardboard...

The thing is though, I had no preconceptions, I was already in my 20's when punk hit the scene. It's just never appealed to me in mas and I fail to see how bands like JD, The Ramones, Sex Pistols, Stooges, Husker Du, Dead Kennedy's etc. are considered so great.

Now listen, I realize my opinion on this subject is pretty meaningless of course as I don't listen to much punk post-punk etc. on a regular basis.

It'd be like me reviewing Asian Food, which I don't eat.

I just appreciate such polite thoughtful responses.

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...tml#post519784

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Which Post Urban?

Last comp to be posted.

Back about 9/10 posts

Thanks for the thought.

Give me a month or so to fully digest it and I'll let you know if it does anything for me.

Best description of 'punk' ever.

Sounds more like a goth/emo pussy to me. =/

Nuh-uh Emus Arent Pussys!

****er got beat up by a goth German back in 'nam and hes had a grudge since...

How unfortunate!

FLIPPER. is the best punk band hands down. and punk is great music just totally rocks.

Flipper rules, really unique hardcore punk.

It sucks, I cant find "generic" at any music stores around here, all they have is "Blowin Chunks"

I've never heard anything from Flipper. Any recommendations?

I'm partial to the Fat Wreck Chords/Epitaph style of punk. Lagwagon, Millencolin, NOFX, MxPx, Pennywise, etc. Most classic punk elitists hate it, but skaters (eg. me) love it. I also love Ramones and The Clash. I dig quite a few Misfits, Dead Kennedys, and Bad Brains tracks too.

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I see you already Have 'ha ha ha', good playlist btw

sex bomb
life is cheap
anything off 'generic' actually

lol Thanks :yeah:

another why reason why skaters annoy me, besides the fact that i almost get hit by one everyday, they all listen to this garbage over and over againn.

I just got The Adverts' "singles Collection"


aaaaaannnndddd its fucking sweet.

The thing is, it's not the ONLY music I listen to.

punk isnt music, punk isnt giving a ****, and thats why they play there instruments so badly, dress so badly, and sing so badly. you cant compete with whirlwind, you can only be sucked in. AND THAT WHIRLWIND IS PUNK.

anyway what would you rather have? 2 and a half minutes of screaming and and ugly guitars, or a ****ing 10 minute prog rock concept song with bongos. its just a simple question. guitars or bongos?

oh and skate punk isnt punk. its what skaters listen to. and we all know skaters dont have opinions. so dont call skate punk punk. its just ****ing skate trash with the same west coast laziness, none of the delicious urgency of the blood brothers or pre

yeah I have to agree with that. Punk was needed at the time. Today I find it to be the same boring shlock pushed into a talentless corner because anyone who shows a glimmer of interest isn't punk enough.

And lets not even begin to talk about that flagrantly ridiculous "strait-edge" movement. What a bunch of brainwashed looney toons.