Are you kidding? The Jam=Sex Pistols
Sex Pistols ARE pub-rock for the most part

The Dogmatics were heavily influenced by The Clash, you can tell that just by listening to them. The Clash have a lot of rock and roll and alternative as well.

Just two examples the rest of your list was pretty solid.

I apoligize. I didn't mean half. I just read The Jam, and was like wtf?

The only sticking point being that the punks hated The Jam and would regually beat up their fans.

I suppose, I'm so into punk though that I can tell minute differences and feel like The Jam are completely different than the Sex Pistols, much poppier I find.


I surprised you know The Dogmatics, they're pretty unknown. My dad worked with one of the twins. I find 'Thayer St. one of the best songs of the 80's. Come to think of it they do sound alot like the Clash, but not in the sense that they're ripping them off or anything like some bands *cough*Rancid*cough*.

I used to love Rancid.

...And Out Come the Wolves is great.

Same here. One day I just deleted them from my iPod and never went back...:wave:

I used to like 'Ruby Soho', then I realized, "Hey! Theres this band called The Clash, they sound just like Rancid! Oh wait...they were before them? Huh. Wait....all their songs are better than them and more original and well written? Wow! Why did I waste time listening to Ruby Soho when I could have listened to London Calling?!?"

Rancid aren't original, and they're trying too hard to be punk.

And yes, The Clash were much more passionate and authentic than Rancid can ever hope to be. Why have a silly ripoff band, just because they're modern, when you can have the real thing?

Haha, yeah...the Clash is way cooler.
By the way, Did some newer band cover Rock the Casbah because I heard a different version a couple times and it is in my opinion very different from the original.

Edit:
I found it, Green Day covered it. Wow, they are about as punk as Motley Crue, haha

Check out Rachid Taha's version of it...

I don't think I have enough posts to put a link on here, so just type it in Youtube.

Something for kate did a pretty good version...
oh wait, no one outside of australia knows who they are...because we suck

I like Something for Kate. But I'm one of those sucky Australians.

Anyway. I'm not a punk fan and think most of it is three asterisks and not a very skillful genre of music... but this is because as far as I'm concerned punk first started as a rebellion by the working class, taking a stand against high art and high culture. When punk first evolved it was about the fact that anyone could pick up a guitar and play three chords and rock out and rebel and take a stand... well that's what I think anyway.

Lulz lateralus, and that's why I find post-punk so ironic. Punk itself aided in a big way to the big art rock/prog. rock stomp-out in the mid to late 70's, yet quite a few of the post-punk bands that emerged early on incorporated progressive tendencies to a point. Talk about a facepalm moment.

Cardiacs =punk/prog= oxymoron

(and yet it worked!!!)

Well contradictions and paradoxes always work best.

its not really a contradiction
if punk = rebellion
rebellion from punk is the most punk thing you can do!

People who don't like punk tend to veiw it more as a political statement than a musical one.

All it was doing was going back to roots rock n' roll, so if anyone's going to go ahead and call it talentless, you can say the same for all the 50's rock and roll and 60's british invasion stuff.

But of course none of that EVER gets called talentless for being simple music.

I'm not big on punk, and it's probably for the same reason I'm not much into metal. I'm just not that angry of a person so it's really hard to connect with the music sometimes, so I totally understand why people don't like it.

Not all punk is angry, and it branches out into many forms.

I'm not an angry person at all but i love it. The reason people might initially not like it is because it's a style based on trying to be different to everything else to the extent of nearly (and sometimes being) confrontational. Your average Joe doesn't like that sort of thing, just like men wearing make-up was such a big deal in glam and why people got upset the longer the Beatles and Stones' hair got in the 60's.

I like you dac so I'm really not meaning to be offensive, but that is so ****ing closeminded, and anyone not completley ignorant to punk as a genre would know that "angry punk" is just a bad stereotype.

The term angry was geared more towards the metal part of that comment, but I just can't get into that "punk state of mind," i guess. The whole "fight the man," "do what i want" mentality. It's just not for me. I'm not hating on punk though, I definitely see it's appeal. It just doesn't appeal to me.

Most of the punk I listen to isn't angry at all. All the great punk bands that I enjoy tend to be of the artier, or classic pop-punk type, like The Buzz****s, Wire, or Television.

no appreiciation for music.

You can still have an appreciation for music and not like certain genres. I appreciate music, and music is a huge part of my life. But I don't like punk. I don't think it's very good. It's a total matter of opinion.

The older I get the more I realize that every genre has their fair share of crap, and excellence. Even country, which is frequently hated on, if you know where to find it, there's some great music. Personally, there are genres that I don't listen to, but I'll never say that they're bad, because for all I know I could pick up 'Kind of Blue' in a year and a half, and all of a sudden jazz could click for me.

Never dismiss an entire genre, chances are, you're just going to miss out on great stuff.

I dismiss "gangster" rap. I refuse to embrace music that pushes the issues it does.

Gangster rap is a source of much amusement to me. I like quite a bit of it. Don't take it so seriously!

Yeah, Ice T said Gangsta will either make youlaugh or scare the hell out of you.

I saw a bumper sticker that I totally agree with about what punk is:

Punks Not Dead. It just sucks now.

You like Tool though?

(i don't really mean to condescend but c'mon man!)

Yes but the people that make gangster rap DO take it seriously. It's not Weird Al out there making those songs about killing people and doing illegal narcotics, it's real people that have a real influence on society (Thanks MTV!).

That's why most gangster rap sucks now. Fools think they're prophets for selling crack.

NWA was funny.
Ice Cube, Dre: hilarious
Ghetto Boys: ditto

Lately, gangsta don't make me laugh. it makes me YAWN. It's like you have to have the IQ of a woodscrew in order to get signed.

It has a lot to do with one talented rapper making it big and then he brings on all his no-talent buddies. Think 50cent (eminem's protege). He brings all these knucleheads that confuse being hard with not having a sense of humor.

NWA's songs inspired violence against police officers... NOT FUNNY

Hilarious.

Dude... seriously?

On the other hand police harassment inspired NWA's songs.

I think this arguement is hilarious. The whole "morality" of Nwa, and gangsta rap in general is such apointless arguement.

What do you mean! Explain!

I'd be interested to know what makes this unacceptable

and this acceptable

Wasn't punk like a movement. A time and place thing to kill Disco and to take the power away from the record companies and give it back to the fans...Doesn't that make everything past 1987 or so post-punk or something.

"I want to say 'I shot the police' but the government would have made a fuss so I said 'I shot the sheriff' instead... but it's the same idea: justice." — Bob Marley

Now you can draw even more similarities!