Haha, I agree. I just find it so ridiculous that most "Straight-edge" kids attempt to come off like they're so free-thinking and independent, yet their every action needs to be in strict alliance with the rules of the straight edge club.

That's like saying "rock is ****". Punk music is such a wide term, and covers so many different types of music, it's impossible to say stuff like "punk is ****", just like you can't say "all punk is great".

Yeah, every genre has its share of crap and excellence, especially one as broad as 'punk'.

Thats my point of contention though...its not that wide ranging. You have the punk community throwing out everything like its a god damn fire sale.

The argument you should be making is that since nothing is in fact "punk" then it can't be ***

Don't expect me to take you seriously.

well actually thats not true...considering a lot of skate punk is better than punk

Well... that's where I disagree.

I listen to Lagwagon a lot more than The Clash, but all in all, I'd have to say, The Clash were a better band. Better lyrics, more passion, and more meaning. Overall, they have more musical merit, and really, mean more to me than Lagwagon does.

I do think that skate punk is a subgenre of punk, however, at least musically, if not idealistically.

well i guess it all depends what you mean by "better" a lot of punk bands put more passion into their work and have more talent then skate punk bands who usually are just trying to have fun and fun sounds better to me personally so i would say a band like suicide machines is better than a band like the clash

Have you ever checked out any 2nd wave Punk Alfred? Bands such as:

Black Flag
Circle Jerks
Discharge
G.B.H

They are the link between the Original bands and the riff based Punk that is so predominant in the Skater scene (not too mention, a lot better :)

i could never really get into black flag for some reasons but circle jerks are great

I haven't listened to them extensively, but yeah, I've heard some stuff. I've been meaning to download some more Black Flag.

Yeah, I definitely notice the similarities.

I am biased but the British bands (G.B.H etc) appealed to me a lot more:

^^^nice track i will definitley check them out

Released in '85. Great track:

That stuff's pretty kickass, Jackhammer. It's definitely skate-worthy.

We could then move onto N.Y Hardcore and so many great bands around '86/87.

Ludichrist-so far ahead of the game. If they released this album in the last couple of years it would be a classic. It is 20 years old...




then we had the political leanings of Agnostic Front but they were no slouches musically either. Big themes require big riffs:


(bonus points if you can find the Thrash Metal link)

Crossover (when merging Metal with hardcore meant more than chucking a few breakdowns into music):

I have a lot of catching up to do don't I?

I'll give some 80's punk a good hard listen once I get through these two Asian Dub Foundation albums.

being on this forum i think your tastes will mature
at least you don't listen to sum 41 and think you are hardcore

I shall say,
Punk on most days; Nay,
but Post-punk; emphatically Yay.

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i downloaded some of their stuff last night and was not dissapointed..so much better than black flag

i think that depends on what you count as punk. i for one enjoy a lot of pop punk, i absolutely can't stand the "real" punk ...

I used to be the same way, but theres lots or 'real' punk out there that isn't just ripping off the sex pistols and the clash:

Wire
The Jam
The Heartbreakers
Iggy Pop
X
The Neighborhoods
The Dogmatics
The Stranglers
The Fall
The Lyres
Mission of Burma
Richard Hell
Television

and sooo much more worth checking out. I bought the Rhino 70's punk boxset and it really changed the way I think of punk and music in general. Awesome username, by the way.

Except for half those bands ARE ripping off the sex pistols and the clash.

How so?

Wire:
Art punk, their first album sets the stage for hardcore, in the sense that the songs are quick and to the point, their other two are post-punk classics, much different from the Pistols & Clash.

The Jam:

The definitive british punk band, with more pop-rock/pub-rock sensebilities than The Pistols or Clash.

The Heartbreakers:

Basically a rock and roll band not too far in sound from the NY dolls.


Iggy Pop:

David Bowie wrote the music for his 'lust for life' album, enough said.

X:

With more rockabilly guitar and unique boy/girl vocals that sound very akin to the Pixies, they sound little like those two bands.

The Neighborhoods:

Okay, this is more of a pop-punk band, so I suppose they don't count, but in any case, they sound nothing like The Clash or Pistols.

The Dogmatics:

Much more rock and roll than the Clash, and more alternative than punk in some songs. They also touch upon more rockabilly and roots rock than Sex Pistols or Clash sound.

The Stranglers:

They are heavy on synths. Enough said.

The Fall:

Although his vocals are somewhat derived from Johnny Rotten, they nonetheless have their own spin, as Mark E. Smith's speak-singing is one of the most recognizeable in music, nevermind punk.

The Lyres:

Throwback 60's rock with more of the speed and attitude of punk.

Mission of Burma:

Art-punk that is very distant in sound from both the Clash and Pistols.

Richard Hell:

He was around before the Pistols and Clash, and in fact, was a huge influence on them as one of the original CBGB bands.

Television:

Intense guitars, one of the best punk/post-punk bands, they sound nothing like the Pistols or Clash, and again, were an original CBGB band.


Now if you had said that half of these bands were inspired by The Sex Pistols and Clash, or that half of them were indebted to them, I would agree.

I'm interested. Got an album?

Their albums pale compared to their early singles, as they turned more into rock and roll than pop-punk.

However, their late seventies single "Prettiest Girl" with terrific B-Side "No Place Like Home", made when they were still teenagers is fantastic, and a great starting point. Like most punk bands I enjoy, they're extremely hit or miss, and the bulk of their output that I own is on compilations.

i rlly liek punk, i listen to fallout boy, patd, avril lavigne her old stuff is wayy punk and simple plan:)

Those are not punk bands.
Stick around.
Be open to learn.

Oh, well in that case, I don't really like that much punk. I do however take liking to The Stooges (they're sort of proto-punk though), The Saints, The Cynics. I'd like to get into more progressive-like punk music.

much better.
I'm more of a post-punk fan than trad punk so
check out:
Joy division
Gang of four
the Fall
Wire

for a intro

i see your a fan of robert robert zimmerman.

and what do you have to say about that you Insicure little rat *** lol

What kind of punk are they?

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post-punk....
kinda when punk kept its intensity but got a bit ambitious

Who should I look into first?

Im not entirely sure but go with joy division or gang of four first
get:
Joy division - unknown pleasures
Gang of four - entertainment!

and then

The fall - hex induction hour
Wire - Chairs missing

In responses to Urbans's Punk Compilation request.

Me and Punk music will never hit it off. I just have a visceral "yuck" reaction which I can't overcome. Thanks for the effort though.

The idiocracy of this, coupled with the way it's written, is sigworthy.

On the topic of post-punk, I find Echo & The Bunnymen to be one of the more accessible bands. I'm very rusty with post-punk, though.