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Brad Stengel 11-11-2008 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by lateralus (Post 543164)
Yeah you're right... you can't really compare when Marley was trying to send out messages of peace and justice while all that ganster rap is just hateful and angry and glamorizing crime.
Some of it perhaps, while some of reggae Im sure glorifies crime as well.

If you look at the two examples given, "Fuck the Police" and "I Shot the Sheriff", is there anything specifically in NWA's lyrics that imply that they are trying to get people to kill cops anymore than Bob Marley is? If you simply read the lyrics to the two songs, they both have the same message, it's like Marley said, justice. The oppressed rising up and overtaking the oppressors (sp?).

And why should killing a cop be any more offensive than killing anyone else? That's ridiculous.

FaSho 11-11-2008 06:00 PM
This is a pointless morality arguement. People have different sets of morals, so people will think different things, and no matter how much you argue with them it won't change.

I personally see nothing wrong with singing about murder. Singing is about passion, so if your passionate about murder, ****ing sing about it!

Brad Stengel 11-11-2008 06:05 PM
I concur. All I'm saying is that if someone's going to go out of their way to say gangster rap is offensive because they don't like it or think it's stupid or whatever, then they can look back at all the music they like, realize what it all means and delete the dozens of songs they've never realized had the same message, albeit in more vague terms.

Although, personally I feel getting offended over anything that isn't both personal and specific is ridiculous.

dac 11-11-2008 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Brad Stengel (Post 543770)
I concur. All I'm saying is that if someone's going to go out of their way to say gangster rap is offensive because they don't like it or think it's stupid or whatever, then they can look back at all the music they like, realize what it all means and delete the dozens of songs they've never realized had the same message, albeit in more vague terms.

Although, personally I feel getting offended over anything that isn't both personal and specific is ridiculous.
Ok I kind of started this whole thing SO:

I am in no way offended by such music, I just find it stupid, immature, and hate the fact that we're pushing such violence on to our children and our society. I'm not sure what the difference is between what Marley did and what Rap does but one inspires violence and the other, not so much. I don't think all rap is bad, I just think people shouldn't freak out when other people say they dislike NWA (and others) for their message. I'm gonna go make a thread about this though and leave the punk thread in peace.

strappy 11-14-2008 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dac (Post 543022)
NWA's songs inspired violence against police officers... NOT FUNNY
Police brutality and racism inspired NWA's songs. That's not cool either. Police brutality actually hurts the police more than anything because then you get songs like Police Story, **** the Police, Cop Killer, Pat Brown....

This stuff is not created in a vacuum. Rap, like punk, reggae and all rebel music, is an expression of pent-up outrage.

Dr. Yellow Black 11-17-2008 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by strappy (Post 545178)
Police brutality and racism inspired NWA's songs. That's not cool either. Police brutality actually hurts the police more than anything because then you get songs like Police Story, **** the Police, Cop Killer, Pat Brown....

This stuff is not created in a vacuum. Rap, like punk, reggae and all rebel music, is an expression of pent-up outrage.
True, plus it's not like they are saying that all cops are bad, it's more of the general topic.

someonecompletelyrandom 11-18-2008 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Minstrel (Post 519452)
I would say punk, in all honesty, doesn't differ from rock and pop anymore. In the '70s, it was a rejection of "hip" and "fitting in." It was music to express individuality. That ended almost as soon as it began. I'd say "punk" now just refers to certain groups of bands that are agreed-upon, with extremely fuzzy boundaries, by whatever circle of discussion you're in. Any attempt to formalize what punk is, in terms of sound, basically devolves into "I know it when I hear it."

Whether a band is punk or not is really one of the most pointless and fruitless debates in music discussions. Punk is a lot like "dream pop" or "noise-rock"....it doesn't mean anything concrete, the labels are applied arbitrarily based on each person's feelings and it's really all just pop and rock.
Good man.

strappy 11-20-2008 11:15 AM
Punk is an attitude, not a genre.

Amen

FaSho 11-26-2008 08:07 PM
Punk is definatley a genre.

right-track 12-04-2008 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Boban80 (Post 557767)
punk for me is rebels!!!!!!:thumb::thumb::thumb:

I've deleted all your posts bar this.

Post properly or fuck off.


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