Punks who hate on Straight edge (hardcore, metal, rock, punk-rock)

Brad Stengel · 08-12-2008, 08:28 PM

Ive known lots of edge kids, and Id say about 80% of them are forceful and whiney(sp) when people drink/do drugs around them. This leads to resentment of people who label themselves "straight edge". Alot of them actively seek out kids that drink to fight them.

Which is also dumb because theres always someone whose more edge- who is VEGAN or ABSTINENT or DOESNT USE VOWELS.

Minstrel · 08-28-2008, 12:42 PM

The moment there became a concept of "punk fashion" and "punk style," it largely ceased to be meaningful. It's inherently contradictory for a scene defined by self-expression and individualism to start having implicit rules for how a "punk" should look and act.

I'm not 100% sure this is relevant to the topic, but reading all the posts, there felt to me to be a bit of a sense of some proper punk culture. But I can't isolate exactly why I get that sense.

Straight edge doesn't resonate with me (I think the principles are completely arbitrary), but I don't think being straight edge makes you less (or more) punk. I think those who resonated to the original punk ideal of breaking with convention and doing your own thing should be favourable to other breaks with the mainstream. In my experience, though, people who associate closely with punk tend to see metal as the enemy, which is a bit bizarre to me.

the_dp · 08-28-2008, 01:08 PM

wow, thanks guys. my whole life I used to make fun of straight-edge kids, and now as I get older, haven't ever used drugs, don't drink or smoke and to an even more extreme end, don't have casual sex, I must face the fact that I have inadvertently become straight edge. DAMMIT!!!

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-28-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the_dp

wow, thanks guys. my whole life I used to make fun of straight-edge kids, and now as I get older, haven't ever used drugs, don't drink or smoke and to an even more extreme end, don't have casual sex, I must face the fact that I have inadvertently become straight edge. DAMMIT!!!

more blunt edge than straight edge

right-track · 08-28-2008, 01:10 PM

Straight edge and being square are two different things.

right-track · 08-28-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

more blunt edge than straight edge

^ Damn it!

joyboyo53 · 08-28-2008, 01:20 PM

Anyone who claims someone else isnt punk is a moron. Its like saying "you dont fit into a group, a group whos ideaology is about not being associated with a group". I think punk is awesome and retarted for the exact same reason... it's nearly impossible to be punk, and 99% of all punks are posers. Go watch SLC Punk, it does a pretty good job explaining this.

The only person who can ever really know whether or not your are punk, is you. How could someone else possibly know whether or not your beliefs just happen to coincide with that of a group, or if you just trying to fit it?

the_dp · 08-28-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

Straight edge and being square are two different things.

hahahahhaha!!! oh wait, I am not punk, I guess that takes away the whole straight edge thing. Guess I am just boring.

Brad Stengel · 08-28-2008, 08:14 PM

If you've ever given half a second of thought into being "punk rock" or someone you know being "punk rock" you are a moron.

Its a label used for those who are without labels.

FireInCairo · 08-28-2008, 10:48 PM

in my experience straight edge kids are just stupid and whiny...
and in five years you'll see them passed out on a street corner with a bottle of jack and a soiled condom
self denial is just a stupid ideal left over from the catholics.

08-28-2008, 12:42 PM	#32 (permalink)
Minstrel Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 436	The moment there became a concept of "punk fashion" and "punk style," it largely ceased to be meaningful. It's inherently contradictory for a scene defined by self-expression and individualism to start having implicit rules for how a "punk" should look and act. I'm not 100% sure this is relevant to the topic, but reading all the posts, there felt to me to be a bit of a sense of some proper punk culture. But I can't isolate exactly why I get that sense. Straight edge doesn't resonate with me (I think the principles are completely arbitrary), but I don't think being straight edge makes you less (or more) punk. I think those who resonated to the original punk ideal of breaking with convention and doing your own thing should be favourable to other breaks with the mainstream. In my experience, though, people who associate closely with punk tend to see metal as the enemy, which is a bit bizarre to me. __________________ "Blow your tuneless trumpet, the choice is yours / We don't want the glamour, the pomp and the drums / The Dublin messiah scattering crumbs"

08-28-2008, 01:20 PM	#37 (permalink)
joyboyo53 down the rabbit hole Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: the mountain called monkey Posts: 764	Anyone who claims someone else isnt punk is a moron. Its like saying "you dont fit into a group, a group whos ideaology is about not being associated with a group". I think punk is awesome and retarted for the exact same reason... it's nearly impossible to be punk, and 99% of all punks are posers. Go watch SLC Punk, it does a pretty good job explaining this. The only person who can ever really know whether or not your are punk, is you. How could someone else possibly know whether or not your beliefs just happen to coincide with that of a group, or if you just trying to fit it? Last edited by joyboyo53; 08-28-2008 at 01:26 PM.

08-28-2008, 10:48 PM	#40 (permalink)
FireInCairo Later on... Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,235	in my experience straight edge kids are just stupid and whiny... and in five years you'll see them passed out on a street corner with a bottle of jack and a soiled condom self denial is just a stupid ideal left over from the catholics. __________________ O G MUDBONE: Only You can prevent forest fires.

08-12-2008, 08:28 PM	#31 (permalink)
Brad Stengel This Space for Rent Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 815	Ive known lots of edge kids, and Id say about 80% of them are forceful and whiney(sp) when people drink/do drugs around them. This leads to resentment of people who label themselves "straight edge". Alot of them actively seek out kids that drink to fight them. Which is also dumb because theres always someone whose more edge- who is VEGAN or ABSTINENT or DOESNT USE VOWELS.

08-28-2008, 01:08 PM	#33 (permalink)
the_dp Self Reliant Independent Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 181	wow, thanks guys. my whole life I used to make fun of straight-edge kids, and now as I get older, haven't ever used drugs, don't drink or smoke and to an even more extreme end, don't have casual sex, I must face the fact that I have inadvertently become straight edge. DAMMIT!!!

08-28-2008, 01:10 PM	#35 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	Straight edge and being square are two different things.

08-28-2008, 08:14 PM	#39 (permalink)
Brad Stengel This Space for Rent Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 815	If you've ever given half a second of thought into being "punk rock" or someone you know being "punk rock" you are a moron. Its a label used for those who are without labels.