Isn't 'Pop-Punk' an oxy moron? (blues, country, indie, metal)

SATCHMO · 03-31-2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Seriously, stop stringing together useless adjectives unconnected to pop-punk which you obviously know nothing about. It's ridiculous, you listen to shitty metal so why troll the punk and pop forums when you can cry over Dimebags deservedly shot corpse instead?

Oh my lord, that's probably the most beautiful thing anyone has ever posted on this forum.

savannah · 03-31-2008, 11:06 PM

im just gonna say,...i remember when dime was shot,...and it made me sad

Piss Me Off · 04-01-2008, 05:42 AM

The Ramones were pretty lame for most of their career easily, its a fair call really.

adidasss · 04-01-2008, 05:53 AM

I actually remember having a similar rant a few years ago. That was back in the days when I was a retard and thought punk was hardcore punk and everything else a silly joke. I still think there's a bit of a discrepancy between the image of punk and the melodic nature of some of it's sub-genres...not sure why but moshing to Social Distortion and/or The Ramones just doesn't look right...:|

The Bearcat · 04-01-2008, 10:16 AM

if POP means popular, than since the begining, punk music has all been POP - punk, so no it wouldnt be an oxymoron.....

However if it means Avril Lavigne, who's image, (maybe not actuall self) is a contradiction of everything that punk originally stood for, than yes, it is an oxymoron....

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

Save the whales huh? So you don't care that American pop culture is a commercial wasteland that's breeding rampant hedonism and apathy toward socio-political issues that will one day, if left unchecked, cause the complete destruction of the middle class? Just trivial nonsense?

It doesn't matter at all that pop music perpetuates sheep-herd mentallity and promotes corporate exploitation that drives capitalitic greed and the gradual annihilation of our artistic values in favor of mindless materialism and conformity?

Thats the biggest overstatement Ive heard in the HISTORY OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE!!!!!!

If people were that influenced by music than they really they shouldnt be doing anyhing but....

And I guarentee, if you were to scower any major city and find a Justin Timberlake fan in their 20's, they would most likely be a fairly smart and educated person with a decent job and good heart.... just because they dont find "AD Breakers" magazine relevant to their pleasent life, does not mean that they are corporate sheep.

If anything, I find metal influences way more people than pop music ever could, thats because people who like pop music, arent all that interested in music in general, and how can you blame them when ALL music these days is about 99% image... but thats another discussion for another time.

SATCHMO · 04-01-2008, 10:26 AM

Pop, in the case of pop punk, refers to a song with a formulaic structure with music that's relatively simple and up-beat. It does not necessarily refer to "popular music".

adidasss · 04-01-2008, 11:36 AM

Isn't that a general definition of the genre though, simple, up-beat music? Not all popular music is "pop".

SATCHMO · 04-01-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Isn't that a general definition of the genre .

of which genre?

adidasss · 04-01-2008, 12:00 PM

Pop...

SATCHMO · 04-01-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Isn't that a general definition of the [pop] genre though, simple, up-beat music? Not all popular music is "pop".

Yes, and that's precisely my point, however people are approaching it as if "pop" simply meant popular, and that's not the case. Its a viable music style that's independent of a music's accessability or appeal to mainstream audiences. For that matter "punk" is not necessarily synonymous with subversive, and is also a musical style which frequently has a strong pop elements to it, thus making "pop-punk" NOT an oxymoron.

03-31-2008, 11:06 PM	#42 (permalink)
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04-01-2008, 05:42 AM	#43 (permalink)
Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	The Ramones were pretty lame for most of their career easily, its a fair call really. __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape

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adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	I actually remember having a similar rant a few years ago. That was back in the days when I was a retard and thought punk was hardcore punk and everything else a silly joke. I still think there's a bit of a discrepancy between the image of punk and the melodic nature of some of it's sub-genres...not sure why but moshing to Social Distortion and/or The Ramones just doesn't look right...:\| __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

04-01-2008, 11:36 AM	#47 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Isn't that a general definition of the genre though, simple, up-beat music? Not all popular music is "pop". __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

04-01-2008, 12:00 PM	#49 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Pop... __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

04-01-2008, 10:26 AM	#46 (permalink)
SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	Pop, in the case of pop punk, refers to a song with a formulaic structure with music that's relatively simple and up-beat. It does not necessarily refer to "popular music".